". . but the case was so clear that his attorney did not even require an upfront contingency fee. . . "

That is not a thing.

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. . . "too bad, I was lucky in life and you were not." . . "

Hmmmmmm, that sounds quite similar to the "you will have time to make it up" argument that the gummers in favor of B-scale and age 65 used.


"Retiree pass travel is a really a dead issue, few retirees use it, but the emotional attachement is still there. Us old duffers don't have anything better to do then picket Wacker Drive (warm weather only) and we like to write letter. How's this for a sign:

United Steals Benefits from Retirees"....but only after it steals from active employees...

One can always twist things.

Cheers,

T.S.

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I read that survey as well and unless Jeff makes Supervisors a class unto themselves then it won't be going down the way they tried to frame it.
If a supervisor is pn a Business trip then his department can issue an SA1 or BP3 ticket to go where they need to go. But for Pleasure Travel??
NO!! Straight Seniority! Your time in the saddle has GOT to count for something. And this survey has shown that it Does. I don't think many Non Pilots other than myself agreed with me on Pilots having a boarding Priority while in Uniform. I thought it was OK but then again many of YOU didn't even agree with me so you win some? you Lose some? and some get Rained out. I still thought it was a good idea. I doubt that the final policy will look like any of us want it to. But that Check in Time vs seniority boarding proposal sure went down the drain. (that was an Idea Frought with scandalous overtones.)

Sorry, none of your post makes sense to me, although it sounds like you are a very angry young man. So, let me get this straight, you are blaming others because you are unhappy in life and it is someone else's fault. I can understand that, but you will find that no one really cares about how unhappy you are...well, maybe your mother.

Nevertheless, to a point I agree with you, I doubt you will ever "make it up." We got those pay scales through sacrifice and unity, you don't have that. Will you put your job on the line for someone else? If not, don't complain about the excrement that management gives you in your new contract. This pass travel debate is really a distraction, to divide the different factions, you have bigger things to worry about.

So long, off to the home to play bingo, now where did I put my teeth.

The Geezer

The simplest and easiest resolution that is most fair is straight years of service.

No windfall for one group.

If you have 15 years of service, you go ahead of someone with 10 years of service.

Retiree with 30 years of service goes ahead of active employee with 20 years of service.

Retiree with 25 years of service goes BEHIND an active employee with 30 years of service.


The more time you give to the company, the higher your priority. Period. Who would disagree?

Again, I do. You are no longer an active employee and retired. Not necessary to have higher priority passes just because of your DOH.

I just had a feeling someone would disagee! LOL

I never said or indicated that I would keep accepting it. I said that's the way it has been at CAL. Now with this new travel policy being developed you are darned right that I want supervisors to be of equal status as all other employees. I am tired of the class system that management creates here even though they preach "working together" as the mantra that we all have jobs to do. It takes all of us to make the airline run...from the ramper on a cold snowy day to the pilot at FL350 to dispatch planning our flights to the executives (too many if you ask me) in their offices.

I think everyone agrees that positive space business travel is a whole separate issue where that category will always get a guaranteed seat. No one is even disputing that part of the pass travel policy. Some travel is needed for work/business purposes at this company and is booked accordingly. We are talking about just personal pass travel.

So this was a "slanted" survey as it did not get the result you wanted.


But in the case of the ALPA AGE 65 survey I take it you approved of the result? Those were not "slanted" questions that ALPA created to get the result they wanted?

Better get Glawe, Whiteford and Gallud Band back together to attempt to circumvent this AGAIN.....

I disagree, active employees followed by retiree's. There is a reason why all the other airlines do not have retiree's first, just plain unfair. No SA1, no SA2. Simple, active years of service determines boarding priority.