CAL Replacing UAL flying, not new flying
10-13-2011 | 09:10 AM
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I wish that we had this. It's sad, to me, when I see line credit on the WB fleet over 86 and over 89 on the Bus (I believe those are the "Voluntary" max values).
I, for one, have very little control over my schedule. Still, I've only gone over 70 hours three times in the last year and a half.
That's the way it will continue for me, as long as we have one pilot on furlough.
I, for one, have very little control over my schedule. Still, I've only gone over 70 hours three times in the last year and a half.
That's the way it will continue for me, as long as we have one pilot on furlough.
10-13-2011 | 09:17 AM
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Ever jumpseat on FedEx? Brutal!
You fly for a few hours and then sit most of the night in MEM. Depart MEM just before sunrise and arrive at your destination shortly after sunrise. That kind of flying would take 20+ years off of my life.
To me, that was simply miserable flying; if I were flying there, I'd be ticked off at the world and everyone around me.
There's more to life than money and toys.
You fly for a few hours and then sit most of the night in MEM. Depart MEM just before sunrise and arrive at your destination shortly after sunrise. That kind of flying would take 20+ years off of my life.
To me, that was simply miserable flying; if I were flying there, I'd be ticked off at the world and everyone around me.
There's more to life than money and toys.
10-13-2011 | 09:26 AM
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I plan on coming back to the first class offered at CAL; should be late spring/early summer. I have no illusions on a Ren & Stimpy Happy Happy Joy Joy existance, especially since I'll have to commute. I just want to get back to flying; I know that's hard for those that have been worked like dogs for a long time to understand.
10-13-2011 | 09:42 AM
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The first day of indoc at UAL, I was told that I won the jackpot and I would retire a millionaire. I'm sure that I wasn't lied to and that everything will be blue skies and rainbows when I return.
I plan on coming back to the first class offered at CAL; should be late spring/early summer. I have no illusions on a Ren & Stimpy Happy Happy Joy Joy existance, especially since I'll have to commute. I just want to get back to flying; I know that's hard for those that have been worked like dogs for a long time to understand.
I plan on coming back to the first class offered at CAL; should be late spring/early summer. I have no illusions on a Ren & Stimpy Happy Happy Joy Joy existance, especially since I'll have to commute. I just want to get back to flying; I know that's hard for those that have been worked like dogs for a long time to understand.
10-13-2011 | 10:10 AM
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I know I come across as angry and bitter quite often on these boards toward senior UAL pilots. I'm slowly working that out of my system. I could understand my furlough post-911 and blamed neither management nor the pilots for that - there was no choice in the matter.
Some of the steps taken since then have riled my feathers quite a bit but I am coming to grasp with the fact that being off of property means that I don't matter to many and there was quite a bit of self-preservation (both corporate and personal) that went on through 2004. When I read of near empty 747s flying across the Pacific during SARS, I wasn't sure if there would be a United to go back to. I am very thankful to every UAL pilot on property who kept the ship afloat during the darkest days; I just wish that they had thought what the impact would be on those of us on the streets during some of the decision-making process. To that end, I need to remember that we all think in terms of self-preservation first.
Frats,
Andy
10-13-2011 | 10:27 AM
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A sincere thank you for that post.
I know I come across as angry and bitter quite often on these boards toward senior UAL pilots. I'm slowly working that out of my system. I could understand my furlough post-911 and blamed neither management nor the pilots for that - there was no choice in the matter.
Some of the steps taken since then have riled my feathers quite a bit but I am coming to grasp with the fact that being off of property means that I don't matter to many and there was quite a bit of self-preservation (both corporate and personal) that went on through 2004. When I read of near empty 747s flying across the Pacific during SARS, I wasn't sure if there would be a United to go back to. I am very thankful to every UAL pilot on property who kept the ship afloat during the darkest days; I just wish that they had thought what the impact would be on those of us on the streets during some of the decision-making process. To that end, I need to remember that we all think in terms of self-preservation first.
Frats,
Andy
I know I come across as angry and bitter quite often on these boards toward senior UAL pilots. I'm slowly working that out of my system. I could understand my furlough post-911 and blamed neither management nor the pilots for that - there was no choice in the matter.
Some of the steps taken since then have riled my feathers quite a bit but I am coming to grasp with the fact that being off of property means that I don't matter to many and there was quite a bit of self-preservation (both corporate and personal) that went on through 2004. When I read of near empty 747s flying across the Pacific during SARS, I wasn't sure if there would be a United to go back to. I am very thankful to every UAL pilot on property who kept the ship afloat during the darkest days; I just wish that they had thought what the impact would be on those of us on the streets during some of the decision-making process. To that end, I need to remember that we all think in terms of self-preservation first.
Frats,
Andy
10-13-2011 | 10:50 AM
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As I stated earlier, I'm slowly working through the anger. In the last month, I've gone from using ALPO to back to ALPA. Baby steps.
10-13-2011 | 06:15 PM
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Thank you very much for that information. Some jackwagon on the UAL forums yesterday posted that the pilots on property didn't care about furloughees. I've gotten fairly numb to those kind of comments so it didn't anger me. Obviously, comments like that give one the impression that furloughees are viewed more as a nuisance than a fellow union member/brother. I'm glad to hear that it's less common than current perception among furloughees.
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As I stated earlier, I'm slowly working through the anger. In the last month, I've gone from using ALPO to back to ALPA. Baby steps.
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As I stated earlier, I'm slowly working through the anger. In the last month, I've gone from using ALPO to back to ALPA. Baby steps.
You're a better man than me Andy. I'll tell you how I'm gonna work through the anger. If I ever meet that mother ****er I'm gonna punch him in the throat.
10-15-2011 | 04:00 PM
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I hope we see you at CAL soon. I've been furloughed and out on the street four times and it never gets any easier. What is difficult to handle is when those who've NEVER been furloughed or without a job say "I know how you feel"................but they DON'T know how you feel unless they've LIVED that before. Many furloughed guys will say they won't "lower" themselves to CAL's horrible lifestyle, flying, etc., but it sure beats unemployment........ANY DAY. Yes, we may have horrible schedules, bad pay, etc., but we have some great people to work with, great airplanes, and make the best with what we have. Let me know if you end up in EWR on the B737 and I'll take you out for a nice dinner when we fly together. Just send me a PM and we'll work from there. frats, ewrbasedpilot
10-18-2011 | 08:44 AM
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Who is flying what flying is not something to fight each other over. However, being a former Eastern pilot where the CAL management was mostly the same as it is now, IMHO, they are using the same tactics here. EAL flying was shifted over to CAL and eventually totally taken over.
There are some differences here that may make a difference. EAL and CAL were not merged. EAL pilots were trying to get a contract while CAL had come out of bankruptcy and were not represented by a union. Here CAL and UAL are negotiating for a JCBA. Hopefully this will make a difference. The way it looks, management is trying to play the same game here. What we must remember is that once we combine, we will be one airline if that ever happens. Let's not fight with each other and fight for a common goal.
There are some differences here that may make a difference. EAL and CAL were not merged. EAL pilots were trying to get a contract while CAL had come out of bankruptcy and were not represented by a union. Here CAL and UAL are negotiating for a JCBA. Hopefully this will make a difference. The way it looks, management is trying to play the same game here. What we must remember is that once we combine, we will be one airline if that ever happens. Let's not fight with each other and fight for a common goal.
My question is ... How?
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