CO Pass charges?
09-01-2011, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Ah crap. BRU = Brussels. I will hold my tongue on the wisdom of that commute.
I assumed it was a domestic commute. I didn't bother looking up the ICAO because I figured everyone doing an international commute knew the downsides.
I assumed it was a domestic commute. I didn't bother looking up the ICAO because I figured everyone doing an international commute knew the downsides.
Andy,
Who gives a crap if its a commute? It used to be free on CAL for his ex and now its a charge of upwards $200.00. Talk about blood from a turnip. NOBODY should be paying ANYTHING to fly on the new Unite-inental in first or coach.
Am I the only one on here who isn't fixated on whether or not its a commute?
09-01-2011, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
Andy,
Who gives a crap if its a commute? It used to be free on CAL for his ex and now its a charge of upwards $200.00. Talk about blood from a turnip. NOBODY should be paying ANYTHING to fly on the new Unite-inental in first or coach.
Am I the only one on here who isn't fixated on whether or not its a commute?
Who gives a crap if its a commute? It used to be free on CAL for his ex and now its a charge of upwards $200.00. Talk about blood from a turnip. NOBODY should be paying ANYTHING to fly on the new Unite-inental in first or coach.
Am I the only one on here who isn't fixated on whether or not its a commute?
I jumpseated international pre-911 and I had to pay a ton of fees. So either the employee or the company was paying all those fees. If the company was paying them, did they do it out of goodwill or was it a contractual benefit?
09-01-2011, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Daytripper
No, your point was well taken that once what was free is now not, and not, by a large margin. 
I don't know how your pass travel was structured - was it one fee for the year and included international? That would have been an incredible nonrev deal.
Edit: OK, this is now sinking in. CAL used to have one fee for the year and unlimited free pass travel. I've been used to paying fees for international travel, even when it's 'free'. My daughter flew on a pass 'free' LAX to Sydney, Australia. There were at least $200 in fees for that trip.
My apologies; I didn't wrap my cranium case around the way that you guys used to do pass travel.
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09-01-2011, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
I don't disagree, she shouldn't have to pay extra to sit in the seat if it's otherwise empty.
But expecting to commute from BRU to EWR or anywhere in the US for free is a tad ridiculous too, especially for as an FA (not even sure why they are allowed to commute really).
But expecting to commute from BRU to EWR or anywhere in the US for free is a tad ridiculous too, especially for as an FA (not even sure why they are allowed to commute really).
wouldn't that apply to YOU as Pilot's as well?? That's a pretty Dangerous statement Pal!
09-01-2011, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by strfyr51
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wouldn't that apply to YOU as Pilot's as well?? That's a pretty Dangerous statement Pal!
wouldn't that apply to YOU as Pilot's as well?? That's a pretty Dangerous statement Pal!
CAL employees, I am now slowly grasping why this is such a big deal to you. The merged pass system has moved a lot of peoples' cheese. As an example, my years of furlough don't count for anything in the new system; only time on property for seniority purposes.
09-01-2011, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Yeah, I cringed when I read that.
CAL employees, I am now slowly grasping why this is such a big deal to you. The merged pass system has moved a lot of peoples' cheese. As an example, my years of furlough don't count for anything in the new system; only time on property for seniority purposes.
CAL employees, I am now slowly grasping why this is such a big deal to you. The merged pass system has moved a lot of peoples' cheese. As an example, my years of furlough don't count for anything in the new system; only time on property for seniority purposes.
I'm 5 years in and I still always arrive unsure of where I stand on the boarding priority list. The system and the gate agents are flawed.
09-01-2011, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by LifeNtheFstLne
Just to correct your earlier statement: we never had an annual fee at CAL
I'm 5 years in and I still always arrive unsure of where I stand on the boarding priority list. The system and the gate agents are flawed.
I'm 5 years in and I still always arrive unsure of where I stand on the boarding priority list. The system and the gate agents are flawed.
So bottom line is that unlimited free travel was one of CAL's nonwage benefits. Pass travel can get expensive; I've traveled quite a bit and there's been more than one month that I've had to pay >$1000 in pass travel.
When you get down to the brass tacks, taking this benefit away from CAL employees was the equivalent of a pay cut.
09-01-2011, 06:03 PM
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I don't see what all the discussion and fuss is about here... In the last 10 years they got more than half of us to pay for parking at the airports when hardly anyone ever used to, best of all our union helped craft the language for the side letter. Using that logic we should have to pay to use the toilets in the pilot areas, at least if you use toilet paper, so why not pay full fare for non rev privs? For that matter I think we should pay a security screening fee too.
I never paid for any of my own training, is it too late or can we do some sort of retro payroll deduct thing there? Maybe my union could help orchestrate that?
By the way I heard that the UAL MEC came real close to voting for binding arbitration.
I never paid for any of my own training, is it too late or can we do some sort of retro payroll deduct thing there? Maybe my union could help orchestrate that?
By the way I heard that the UAL MEC came real close to voting for binding arbitration.
09-02-2011, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Bligh
I don't see what all the discussion and fuss is about here... In the last 10 years they got more than half of us to pay for parking at the airports when hardly anyone ever used to, best of all our union helped craft the language for the side letter. Using that logic we should have to pay to use the toilets in the pilot areas, at least if you use toilet paper, so why not pay full fare for non rev privs? For that matter I think we should pay a security screening fee too.
I never paid for any of my own training, is it too late or can we do some sort of retro payroll deduct thing there? Maybe my union could help orchestrate that?
By the way I heard that the UAL MEC came real close to voting for binding arbitration.
I never paid for any of my own training, is it too late or can we do some sort of retro payroll deduct thing there? Maybe my union could help orchestrate that?
By the way I heard that the UAL MEC came real close to voting for binding arbitration.
I pretty much always paid for passes but always got a free parking pass.
CAL got free passes but in the last few years have paid for parking passes.
It sounds like rather than cherry pick the best benefits from our individual contracts, we're going to get the worst aspects of our individual contracts.
Again, my apologies to EWRbased pilot and all CAL employees for failing to understand that passes used to be completely free.
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