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Old 09-07-2011 | 01:52 PM
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Ok here's what is going on (according to a good source) management offered "expedited" mediation like they did with the FAs. The FAs agreed to it but so far none of us know the actual response of the two pilot, UAL/CAL, MECs.

Now as far as BA goes the offer will happen if an empass is reached at the end of normal mediation or expedited mediation, it's part of the RLA process.

I hope this answers those who have posted some vile stuff here about their reps. They are doing the right thing.
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Old 09-07-2011 | 02:34 PM
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Now as far as BA goes the offer will happen if an empass is reached at the end of normal mediation or expedited mediation, it's part of the RLA process.
So your saying that within the RLA constraints, after normal mediation (which is presently being fostered in our case) or expedited mediation takes place and impasse is reached, a Binding Arbitration is the next step via the RLA process??

Where does the/a "Cooling Off Period", prior to a release to "Self-Help", factor into the equation drawn above?? That too is a step within the process of the RLA decided by the NMB concerning a 'release'.

Is your statement above assuming that the combine Pilot Group(s) are too big to release to "Self-Help" via the NMB discretion??

Confused.....please clarify.
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Old 09-07-2011 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalGuy
So your saying that within the RLA constraints, after normal mediation (which is presently being fostered in our case) or expedited mediation takes place and impasse is reached, a Binding Arbitration is the next step via the RLA process??

Where does the/a "Cooling Off Period", prior to a release to "Self-Help", factor into the equation drawn above?? That too is a step within the process of the RLA decided by the NMB concerning a 'release'.

Is your statement above assuming that the combine Pilot Group(s) are too big to release to "Self-Help" via the NMB discretion??

Confused.....please clarify.
I believe BA, in lieu of the normal release for self-help, would only happen if BOTH parties agree to that process.
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Old 09-07-2011 | 03:17 PM
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No, in the RLA BA is always proffered by the mediator after the empass and before the cooling off period (count down to self help/strike).

At the end of mediation (expedited or normal) both parties must agree to BA and if either party rejects BA then the cooling off period begins.

So if the two MECs agree to expedited mediation anchor fails to get an agreement with UAL then BA will be proferred by the mediator. This is normal RLA process.
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Old 09-07-2011 | 03:18 PM
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Old 09-07-2011 | 03:23 PM
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Let me make more sense if either forms of mediation fails to get an agreement between UAL and the ALPA represented pilots (UAL and CAL pilots) the BA will be proffered by the mediator...
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Old 09-07-2011 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Regularguy

I hope this answers those who have posted some vile stuff here about their reps. They are doing the right thing.
I don't think non-representation, conflicting interests, and incompetence are vile.
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Old 09-08-2011 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Regularguy
Let me make more sense if either forms of mediation fails to get an agreement between UAL and the ALPA represented pilots (UAL and CAL pilots) the BA will be proffered by the mediator...
But this is during a "normal" mediation, correct? As I understand it, in this case, the company was asking for "expedited negotiations" of 60 days, followed by BA. To me, this means that we wouldn't have the option of accepting BA, but that it would be required. This effectively takes self help off the table.
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Old 09-08-2011 | 08:23 AM
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I was told the BA part was the same, but my info could be wrong. However, since the MECs seem to have said NO then the question is a mute one.
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Old 09-08-2011 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Regularguy
I was told the BA part was the same, but my info could be wrong. However, since the MECs seem to have said NO then the question is a mute one.
Moot.

There are no "mute" pilots about anything...quite the contrary.
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