Come on - You need to learn to play in the sand box. No name calling, no telling the teacher, mind you own business and Don't try to control the game unless you are at the pivot! Just the way it is Slick!

CALFO:

"You are making assumptions that there are agreements in how to communicate this thing made between the MEC chairs and you assuming that those agreement have been breeched by the CAL MEC chair."

Nope never once made that assumption what soever. Your reading that your self. My comments are only about what I read. JP just isn't my guy, CAL or UAL. I'd say the same if he was a UAL guy. We had one just like him, John Ferg.

And for the Guam guy:

No I think your "La Cage Au Folles" and Palin are probably very accurate when speaking of JP. He shoot from the hip and it's all about him.

Guam guy:

"your incomplete sentence and grade school mastery of multiple explanation points"

Calling you on this one, many things against your cruel and heartless statement.

1. The poster is a pilot and where does it say a pilot has to be a master of the English language.

2. Many of us use our "smart phones" and the type ahead feature combined with small key boards adds to the issues.

3. BTW I guess you never text, LOL WTS M8

Oh and to the guy who mentioned Dubinsky, he was the most feared pilot/MEC chair in management history. While there are many things I like and also do not like about Rick management feared and hated the man.

Enough for today I have some real work to do.

Please educate everyone who may not be familiar who John Ferg is.

The reps/MEC had been informed of the general agreement outline before this was published. The conference call was to go into the specifics.

I would say that there has been lots of angst on the CAL side regarding these supposed new bases. Many line guys are afraid of being displaced and forced into a base they don't want to be in. I think Jay was just trying to put those fears to rest that these will be voluntary assignments for now. May have been well-intentioned, but not handled well.

It probably would have been best though if the MECs had drafted and put out the same exact statement along the lines of "briefing the MECs with more details to the pilot group to follow."

While we may be independent MECs, why does there always seem to be a lack of coordination between communications such as this?? It shouldn't be that hard. One concise, identical communication, signed IN UNITY by both the MEC chairmen to all UniCal pilots.

You don't have to look very far. Jay P. tries to get it out in a hurry. He feels the need to get it out to control it, spin it and take credit. This whole process would go a lot better without his EGO. Look at the things he's screwed up. Simply, he's costing you money!

OK I checked back and someone wanted to know who John Ferg was.

John Ferg was the UAL MEC Chair who led the UAL Pilots to the 1981 contract dubbed, "Blue Skies." This contract was to be revolutionary by opening continued communications between pilots and senior management. The promise was when either side needed anything they would openly communicate and work out the issues. The problem was it quickly became a one way deal, UAL asking for "relief."

Highlights:

1. John Ferg was hired by Capital as a pilot at the age of 18 (I do not have all the facts on this part).
2. The 1981 contract had the biggest improvement in pay rates in the previous history of the UAL pilots. It was rumored John Ferg had not participated fully in the "B" plan (it was partially voluntary previously) and was made whole in this contract.
3. The negotiations included an ALPA committee of three who were called the "Tent Committee" and were supposedly allowed to see, "under the tent," inside information about the plans and finances of UAL. Ironically nothing they saw was confidential and was available via public sources (remember this was a no-internet info age).
4. Contract 1981 changed work rules and eliminated 737 S/Os and combining the two effectively furloughed 800+ pilots hired in 1978-79 (remember that big raise Ferg got everyone not furloughed). But they did get a "no-furlough" clause for all hired prior to 1978, some of which had been furloughed for over five years.
5. "Blue Skies" contained the first two-tiered pay scale applied to those who were furloughed capping S/O pay at DC8.
6. In 1984-85 John led former MEC members in an attempt to start a new union in opposition to ALPA as we headed towards a strike.
7. John was lead scab during strike of 1985.

The man's ego was legionary. He had a direct line to Ferris, went on fishing trips with him to Alaska and such and directed the MEC to give a real, not honorary Seniority number to Ferris. Basically he told the MEC where they were going and (I believe) was part of the official censorship of Rick Dubinsky when he opposed Ferg during "Blue Skies" negotiations.

I'm sure I missed a lot about Ferg and others can fill in the details. The bottom line was at the time people thought he was about the pilots of UAL but history proved it was all about him and his ego.

Remarkably familiar sounding to one "Jay Pierce" IMHO. Management, then line pilot, then management, then gets his job back through crazy black magic then remarkably a "union" leader. WOW, talk about full circle. Any guesses what the next step might be? At least we know he's looking out for the pilots <snicker>. Again, truth is stranger than fiction...

Really? (And I don't mean that snotty... I'm seriously asking really?) You don't think there are enough CAL pilots in DEN, ORD, and SFO to staff a 737 domicile? I've read a bunch of folks that are quite excited about it. Isn't LAX one of the most senior bases out there now? I was under the impression that there would be NO problem staffing those new bases.

My complaint is that there are now 3 new opportunities for CAL guys to bid and take flying away from UAL pilots. There is 1 for UAL. Basically, as a SFO pilot, I'm sick of losing flying, and clearly more flying in SFO will be going to the 737... which I can't bid. This will most likely put me back down onto reserve, which is ANOTHER pay cut. Not blaming the CAL guys.... it is what it is. We just need to get this stupid contract DONE and finish the SLI.

My problem with ALPA is that in many ways, it's NOT you and I. I'm concerned that ALPA is becoming a Regional dominated union when their interests are so diametrically opposed to mine. I'm concerned that ALPA supported an increase in the retirement age (against the will of the membership... and I don't care how they choose to spin it) at the exact WRONG time. I'm concerned that there are staffers at ALPA who make almost as much as I do as a Captain at the world's biggest airline. But this is an issue for a much different post.

If your QOL in base goes down, then I truly feel for you. No sarcasm. This really stinks, as base seniority is pretty much KEY to life.