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Blockoutblockin 03-21-2012 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by TruthHurts (Post 1155694)
I would like to take the opportunity to thank you for being open minded. I am not thanking you for agreeing with me because you have not done such thing. You have only asked others to engage with the subject matter rather than make stupid snide remarks. The funny thing is that the Administrator thinks those nasty snide remarks are "Insightful" and "Encouraging" and spends much time telling me that I am too controversial. I did not come here to make friends. I came here to share severe problems that we are having with our union leadership. This is a crucial time for my pilot group (CAL) and what these goons do will affect our career and life. This is extremely serious business. We are integrating a 12,000 pilot work force and the stakes are incredibly high. Mr. Pierce and his gang are out smarted, out qualified and out numbered. Their fooling around is making a mockery of our pilots and posing a great threat to our career.

These stupid one line remarks about me are mostly ignored. Their remarks clearly indicate they are intellectually vacant. I have no mercy for stupidity. Apparently the Administrator does. I expect reaction to this thread will have me booted from this site by day's end.

Again, thanks for your support.

No doubt as a savant you find this merger process to be a very frustrating experience. If only everyone else could see what you and your sidekick see, then everyone would rally behind you in Pied Piper fashion. Unfortunately for you two your attempts at connecting the dots fall short of any logical conclusion. And the more you rant the less supporters you find.

Are you two still slickties, lol?

CALFO 03-21-2012 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by TruthHurts (Post 1155703)
Sir, I did not say any of the things that you mentioned. The most junior pilots on the CAL pilot list are former CALEX. .

The one time you try to lay down a fact, you get it wrong. All credibility in shot at this point.

TruthHurts 03-21-2012 12:09 PM

This is a superb question.

Some CALEX Flow Thru pilots are given two seniority dates. One for date of hire at CAL and the other original hire date for pass privileges, etc. Their date of hire at CAL (Not CALEX) is all that matters for seniority integration.

This brings up other issues. There are many former CALEX pilots who think they are entitled to their CALEX hire date for pilot seniority issues. Some think that if it wasn't for CALEX, CAL would have gone out of business. In fact, F/O Corey Franke submitted a report / demand to CAL management stating that his group of pilots (CALEX) are better qualified, better educated and have better flying skills than established CAL pilots. Because of this, he made demands their pilots are placed into immediate positions of authority (I.E., CPO, Training Dept. etc.). He also advocated policy to get rid of many senior pilots as possible. It is not clear if management has officially gone along with the "Franke Report" but almost all of his demands have been met.

I will refrain from giving my opinion about these things. You make up your own mind.

Old UCAL CA 03-21-2012 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by TruthHurts (Post 1155736)
...Some CALEX Flow Thru pilots are given two seniority dates...

That's not quite right. Some CALEX Flow Thru pilots received l-o-n-g-e-v-i-t-y dates for the purposes of benefits depending upon their particular deal. There is only one date for seniority purposes at the mainline carrier.


Originally Posted by TruthHurts (Post 1155736)
...I will refrain from giving my opinion about these things...

Now we're getting somewhere. Anonymous bulletin boards have a tendency to be "slum-dwelling" to begin with. This can't hurt.


Originally Posted by TruthHurts (Post 1155736)
...You make up your own mind...

I will. Thanks.

You just do what you said you were going to do in the second quote.;)

Once United 03-21-2012 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin (Post 1155730)
No doubt as a savant you find this merger process to be a very frustrating experience. If only everyone else could see what you and your sidekick see, then everyone would rally behind you in Pied Piper fashion. Unfortunately for you two your attempts at connecting the dots fall short of any logical conclusion. And the more you rant the less supporters you find.

Are you two still slickties, lol?

I may not agree with TruthHurts on anything, but one thing I believe in is his ability to present a question and argue his position. If you can't do that, you shouldn't be posting. Does it make you feel good calling somebody a slicktie? I've got more time in Union Airlines than you do past diapers. You are not that important!

TruthHurts 03-21-2012 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA (Post 1155749)
That's not quite right. Some CALEX Flow Thru pilots received l-o-n-g-e-v-i-t-y dates for the purposes of benefits depending upon their particular deal. There is only one date for seniority purposes at the mainline carrier.



Now we're getting somewhere. Anonymous bulletin boards have a tendency to be "slum-dwelling" to begin with. This can't hurt.


I will. Thanks.

You just do what you said you were going to do in the second quote.;)

So, do you think the "Franke Report" is correct? He states that his group of pilots (CALEX) are better educated, better qualified and have better flying skills than established CAL pilots. Do you think this is true?

Blockoutblockin 03-21-2012 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by TruthHurts (Post 1155757)
So, do you think the "Franke Report" is correct? He states that his group of pilots (CALEX) are better educated, better qualified and have better flying skills than established CAL pilots. Do you think this is true?

Too funny!

CALFO 03-21-2012 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by TruthHurts (Post 1155751)
Let's go over this v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y. I don't want you to hurt your head. Take out the CAL pilot seniority list. Start at the bottom and count up 1,000 numbers. The majority of those pilots are former CALEX.

Not true. At best maybe, MAYBE 30%. The flow through ending in early 2006. The bottom 1,000 of the list (even without the UA pilots) was hired after the flow through ended. And if you want to talk about flow through, certainly you must be aware that the ratio was 1 for 3. You are aware of that, aren't you?

CALFO 03-21-2012 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by TruthHurts (Post 1155751)
It's difficult to have a conversation with someone when they lack a basic education. You have to fill in too many blanks just to reach a starting point.

Wow, we actually agree on something!

TruthHurts 03-21-2012 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by CALFO (Post 1155770)
Wow, we actually agree on something!

I'm glad that you agree. That's why I am here to help you.


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