I'm a flow through, and don't expect any type of seniority windfall. I have my issues with ALPA, but more so with mgt. That being said "truthhurts" is a very angry person.

This entire thread is bulls#!t !
You assume that everyone hired in 05 and beyond is from Express.
That they're all just young kids with no experience, unlike the "brain surgeons"at UAL.

My early 05 class had 4 Express guys, 4 military (one C5 I think) The rest of us had plenty of previous airline experience. (10,000 hours and 4 type ratings for one example)

Remember, UAL hired plenty of 300 hour (+ a vajayjay) wonders all through the 90's. I personally flew with 6 or 8 gals (and interns) who had a lot left to learn in the right seat of a commuter, but 4 months later they were gone to UAL with NO PIC.

So that person deserves to go ahead of someone at CAL just because they got hired at UAL first? Sorry , ain't gonna happen.

I was hired at CAL in '05 not Express. 8000 hours of flight time. A good friend of mine was hired in '05 and not Express. My friend could of held Guam captain on the last bid.

and that is the truth sorry if it hurts.

Don't worry, it will be relative plus or minus a couple percentage points from your current seniority. They will fence the 744 and 787 for 5 years, and that will be it. Look at DL/NW for answers.

IIRC, early 2006 was the LAST of the P.I.G.S., NOT flow ups/"Shindler's List', they finished up in 2005. I flew with one that went at that time. With the LAST 4 going in March 2006. I flew with them as well. One in 2005 before they (the last 4) had dates, and the 2 others were on their last few trip at XJT. The 4th was hired directly into the training department and had a slightly offset CALEX hire date from the other 3 but was still in the last of the P.I.G. category.

Again, that's if IIRC. But looking at a CAL seniority list it seems to be as I remember.

The answer is that it doesn't matter. Our seniority list can't be reordered and your seniority list can't be reordered. I cannot end up being more senior to someone who is already senior to me. The fact is people were hired here at the company (on both sides) under different terms that existed at the time between companies. I am not going to begrudge anyone who was hired under the terms that were agreed to between all parties back then. I have no problems with the seniority list, save the huge group of opportunists who occupy a place on it currently.

That's funny, because other than a hundred and fifty or so furloughs, everyone on property at pmCO has been working since around that hire date (actually Nov 07 hires). Not likely to happen if you are truly a 10/07 hire at UAL. That "longevity" thing in the merger process. I do realize we all want the best outcome.

Thanks, forgot about the Pref Interview group. They were still hired at a 1/3 ratio. I believe the Schindler's list group (114) was all brought over as a group. Whatever the case, when Truth states that the majority of the junior pilots are for COEX, he very much wrong.

What does IIRC mean?

Here here...
Nov 07 hire, ex Waterskier.. in my class of 16, we had 4 mil (myself included as a C-5 FE), a handful of Regional guys, a couple of 135 guys and I believe one or two Coex.

Yes, there are many "G" numbers (and others) who are ex Coex/flow through's but they do not make up the entire bottom of the CAL list..

Unfortunately there are a handful of pilots on both side, that have some hatred of all things ALPA (my opinion) and spew their "thoughts" of history and facts. Every now and then, they do bring up a valid point.. but it's usually lost in rants that they post.

Again, the bottom of the CAL List is not all Coex.. and, the few G numbers I've spoken with, none of them are expecting "super seniority" nor do they have a undying love for JP. (They don't hate him either.. just indifferent).

It is what it is~
Fly Safe, Fly the Contract
Motch

PS> Hope I can write "that".. just got banned from another Forum for writing "Fly The Contract"! lol

fwiw, evidently the kids these days use the term "BOOK IT!"

:D