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jsled 03-27-2012 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by Slammer (Post 1158905)
Agreed w contract...FWIW CAL NG Capt is $170 an hour. 150 is classics (26 total) and 700. Point well taken, and we keep doing it to ourselves...

Ahh. Funny, $170 is what I made as a 4th year F/O in 2000. Well, $169 to be exact. You see, in 2000 our 1994 ESOP contract was up and we were ticked. Guys that did jrm got their schedules posted on the wall of shame and got nastygrams in their v-file. Check airmen refused to do OE for new hires, resulting in massive training logjams. We got our contract in late 2000. $300+ per hour for the w/b's. $200+ for the n/b's. And contrary to popular belief, not one 70 seat RJ was given for those rates. Not one. In fact, the scope clause of 2000 was better than Cal's current clause because not only was it 50 seats max, it was also tied to the # of mainline aircraft.

Whoring this summer should not be tolerated. There will be plenty of time for that after we force a contract. It's up to you guys at CAL, as we are still pretty FAT here at UAL - but we will do what we can. And now, back to my half month of sick leave. I....want to soak up the sun.....

Sled

MXDUDE 03-27-2012 06:44 PM

It's amazing to me how flying over 90 hours a month has become the norm at L-CAL. I have pilots coming up to me all the time almost bragging about it. Had someone just tell me he's billing the company 103 hours for March. He's a 737 fo. This is the culture Fred A. wants. Look at L-Cal FA. Some working over 150 hours per month.

Short Bus Drive 03-27-2012 06:52 PM

I hope SOMEBODY has a plan for when the retirements kick in...:confused:

skippy 03-27-2012 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive (Post 1159005)
I hope SOMEBODY has a plan for when the retirements kick in...:confused:

ummm yeah -- they are parking the old ass planes-- book that!

Pilotbiffster 03-27-2012 11:17 PM

enjoy the sun , brother :). For me, it's time to enjoy the end of ski season

Ottopilot 03-28-2012 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by MXDUDE (Post 1158998)
It's amazing to me how flying over 90 hours a month has become the norm at L-CAL. I have pilots coming up to me all the time almost bragging about it. Had someone just tell me he's billing the company 103 hours for March. He's a 737 fo. This is the culture Fred A. wants. Look at L-Cal FA. Some working over 150 hours per month.

I almost have 64 hours this month. I'm a line holder. ;)

EWRflyr 03-28-2012 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by SoCalGuy (Post 1158799)
Why don't they just get it over with......Stamp it as a "standing order" through Labor Day Weekend.

Stating the obvious....A "well" staffed Airline at the CAL.:rolleyes:

Don't get it over with...I want to see it hit the Baker's Dozen. :D

Seriously though, I do want to see them get it over with: get us a contract with work rules and staffing rules that will make these "opportunities" unnecessary!

EWRflyr 03-28-2012 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by SoCalGuy (Post 1158808)
After the CAL-ALPA response (lack of) from last summers "accused" sick-out, we'll see.

Not holding my breath, but your points are spot on.

Actually, Jay did send a letter to those accusing us of a sickout and calling them out on their claim that we (the CAL pilots) are under the same injunction as the UAL pilots and that we were in fact doing a sickout. The union demanded that the company provide proof of their claim of a sickout for those 28 cancellations last summer, other than pronouncements to the press. On future MEC conference calls he stated that no proof was ever provided. Didn't exactly get a public apology from the company or anything.

Pilotbiffster 03-28-2012 07:10 AM

But , difference between "sickout" and VOLUNTARY junior manning is the word VOLUNTARY . Just say no to jm.

MXDUDE 03-28-2012 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by Ottopilot (Post 1159157)
I almost have 64 hours this month. I'm a line holder. ;)

When I was a senior FO I never picked up open time. Flew my 80 hours and went home. Otto, sounds like you are doing the same? I've just done my 3rd fatigue call in the last 4 months, because of the schedules us junior peeps are getting. I also have a few sick calls in there. My motto is if it's unsafe I don't do it. I Filled out FSAP on everyone.


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