AGAIN
Do you guys not read or what?
Most of us (retirees) are NOT asking for better benefits, only equal.
And yes the railroads and maritime industries are the precedent.
Guess what, that’d be the transportation industries, the same RLA industries most of our rules and contracts are based on.
All most of us are asking for is 1 (one) group where you line up by seniority.
The previous ual did have a group up front of 25+ retirees but most of them didn’t even want it.
It was shoved down our throat only because management wanted to pay themselves lip service.
Last but NOT least and here is the part you have to understand:
If everyone (both active and retired) is boarding by seniority (which they would have had anyway) then you can see it was of no real value in the first place. It was only a smoke screen so they could say there was some kind of reward for putting in that kind of time.
THERE SHOULD BE NO GROUPS

Note: I know there is a distinction between seniority and time in service but either would work and that’s a different subject; one discussion at a time.

Wrong. As usual. United guys aren't the ones threatening the Jumpseat action, pumpkin. That was Express. And do you read?? He wasn't Positive Space. He was an SA with his kid. But now that you mention it, I probably should push for mainline Jumpseat priority on Express fee-for-departure flights since we pay for your seats and gas

By all means dismantle the regionals you created. The irony is you not only pay me to do you flying but the gas too!

Disagree. Employees need to get to work. My guess is these same retirees or soon to be retirees) would throw a fecal party 10 years ago if non-active employees went ahead of active employees.

And if/when I retire, I'll hope the actives go ahead of the gummers. You can go to work, I'll call the clubhouse to adjust my tee time.

Didn't I just say that?

Good point, mainline simply executes it.

This spurns another question. Did you ask said non rev person what their job at the express side is? Specifically if they are/were a flight ops management pilot? Because you're gonna love this. At my shop, when some of the redundant jobs were eliminated and alternare jobs had to be found for some people, they got awarded a higher than usual boarding priority than they should as as "parting gift" Not at all unusual for CAL management (NOW UAL management) to do that. If so, does that make you mad? Because it freaking should!!!!!! The numbnutz management pilots that did such a crappy job managing got an enhanced personal travel policy while the line workers just took a kick to the sack compared to the previous package.

Negative, mainline (NOT you) ONLY pays for the seats in the back. NOT the jumpseat.

Come on man, you're smarter/more mature/level headed than that. You KNOW this fight is between the management and labor, shouldn't even come close to a major vs. regional peeing contest type thread.

The sad irony of this whole thing is this, along the lines of the jumpseat fiasco, it WON'T be till enough mainline employees start expressing their frustration with this problem to management, it won't get solved any time soon. If it hasn't already.

It's the responsibility of the employee to get themselves to work if they choose to live or travel outside of their domicile/base/whatever, not the airline.

<<"It's the responsibility of the employee to get themselves to work if they choose to live or travel outside of their domicile/base/whatever, not the airline. ">>


I'm guessing the the company you fly for never closed a domicile shortly after they opened it and you moved there, bought a house, found wifey a job and junior some new friends at a new school? Or they never parked a fleet and displaced a few thousand guys to other domiciles a thousand miles away?

Currently not flying for any airline. However if either airline that employs me closes up shop where I work, I'll either move, find a new job, or retire at a very young age.

Airlines close bases, furlough pilots, park cool airplanes, and go out of business almost every year. Welcome to the industry sir.

I think this guy was my chief pilot a few moons ago.