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gettinbumped 04-21-2012 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by supersix-4 (Post 1172235)
I'm pretty sure it was a UA guy here who threatened JS denials. Also I'd bet the guy with his kid was a management type. They will trump you at mainline.
I had to DH to an outstation from ORD a few weeks ago, I never had the time to check in because of it being a last minute schedule reassignment. When I went to the gate podium to get my seat a Mainline pilot came over in a huff as I was getting my boarding pass and said something to me and the gate agent about UAX pilots shouldnt be bumping him and calling the chief blablabla. I just looked at him, stunned. The gate agent seemed happy to tell him I was deadheading. I just added that a airplane full of UA pax was waiting for me in XXX .. Maybe getting the facts before you go off the handle is a good idea, because it sure made that dude look like a jackhole to whomever witnessed it.

You people don't read too well do you?? What was your boarding priority code when you were DHing? It wasn't SA0X. And like I've said 3 times, it was an express employee and his kid, and he most definitely wasn't management. I received word back from the union that indeed we are getting hosed by express employees, and the company says they will fix it. And I never threatened the JS. I pointed out that it was you RJ guys that threatened the JS when there was a computer error in our favor, which was ridiculous... And I told the KIDS who were lecturing me so at the time. Now there is an error in YOUR favor and you don't expect the guy who has been getting screwed to question it?!? You guys crack me up...

gettinbumped 04-21-2012 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 1173230)
You aren't the first person who's made that exact same statement. This is one of the consequences of changing retiree benefits.

He's just being a blowhard again. You'd have to be weird to change your whole life plan because you might get bumped off one or two flights a year when you are RETIRED. Not saying the policy is right or wrong, mind you.

Rather B Fishin 04-21-2012 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 1173230)
You aren't the first person who's made that exact same statement. This is one of the consequences of changing retiree benefits.

If you REALLY believe someone is "staying" on past their planned retirement age solely for pass travel, I've got a nice bridge to sell you.:rolleyes:

Andy 04-21-2012 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin (Post 1173261)
If you REALLY believe someone is "staying" on past their planned retirement age solely for pass travel, I've got a nice bridge to sell you.:rolleyes:

Pass travel is a bigger deal for some, not so for others. I place a high value on pass travel and understand IAHflyr's thought process.
As a senior employee, he can drop down to minimum flying schedule and travel quite a bit.

Rather B Fishin 04-21-2012 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 1173358)
Pass travel is a bigger deal for some, not so for others. I place a high value on pass travel and understand IAHflyr's thought process.
As a senior employee, he can drop down to minimum flying schedule and travel quite a bit.

Exactly, so no NEED to retire! I call BS on any pilot that says pass travel is their reason to stay to 65.

Master Shake 04-21-2012 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1167808)
For your at-risk flying, I firmly agree all UAX pilots and employees should go behind UAL employees. As my spouse is a UAX employee, I have the "privilege" of seeing what is being said on some of the UAX employee boards. The sense of entitlement is astonishing for a company with someone else's paint job on the side of the plane, someone else's name in their announcements, sells no tickets, and doesn't pay for their own fuel. Just my .02c

It has been said before, but it would appear that you need some reminding. Your "peers" at UAL and DAL were at the forefront of creating the "C" scale wages I and my colleagues work under. They (and maybe you) decided that they were too good to fly the "barbie" jets and that they would rather take a pay raise and promises of widebody growth over keeping that flying in-house. Well fella, that opened up Pandora's Box. I never set out on this career path to fly as XXXXXX Express and be a whipping boy to not only your airline, but mine as well. My heart's desire is to fly for an airline that actually sells its own tickets. Instead; 7 1/2 years later, I am still here, flying airplanes painted in XXXXXX Express colors. I've endured a lot of crap and watched as my former halfway decent Continental pass benefits were wiped out (including vacation passes) with the stroke of a pen.

So until you and your peers man-up and decide to take back what is most definitely "your" flying, I'm left trying to make this life & career work. If me having priority on my company's own aircraft is so distasteful to you, then take the flying back. Please. But until then, remain calm and deal with it. We don't have much; and after enduring age 65, this is really the only tangible benefit my family and I have left.

xjtguy 04-21-2012 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1173251)
I received word back from the union that indeed we are getting hosed by express employees.

Nope, try again. You're NOT getting "hosed" by express employees. You're getting hosed by the management at United Airlines. When people wake up and realize this fight ISN'T with each other but against J-Lo and company, they'll probably sleep better at night.

Open up your scan, increase your SA.

People can cry foul all they want about what the express employee "should" do. Sure, just like the 2 years the JS glitch existed. There were PLENTY of mainline pilots that "should" have done the "right thing". Nope, didn't stop them exploiting the crap out of that issue.

iahflyr 04-22-2012 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 1173358)
Pass travel is a bigger deal for some, not so for others. I place a high value on pass travel and understand IAHflyr's thought process.
As a senior employee, he can drop down to minimum flying schedule and travel quite a bit.

That is exactly what I plan on doing.

Andy 04-22-2012 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 1173749)
That is exactly what I plan on doing.

IAHflyr, I understand your decision making process. Had you been able to be given a higher boarding priority, you would have retired early. Now that you will be penalized in boarding priority for retiring, you will go to a minimum work schedule and travel on your off days.

There are many employees who will decide to not retire just so they can maintain a higher boarding priority. As I stated earlier, I've had this conversation with other employees (not pilots) who plan on working (minimum possible schedule) well past their planned retirement date due to losing higher retiree boarding priority.

cadetdrivr 04-22-2012 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by Master Shake (Post 1173491)
If me having priority on my company's own aircraft is so distasteful to you, then take the flying back.

If you are an XJT pilot, those are not your company's own aircraft. Every single one painted in express colors is owned/leased by UCH (page 27). UCH buys all the gas. UCH leases the gates. UCH pays the landing fees. UCH owns and sells every seat. At the end of the day UCH simply pays XJT to hire crews to operate the aircraft.

Although it calls itself an airline, at the core XJT is just really a employee staffing company and it's profitability is based on the difference between what CAL pays it and what XJT pays it's employees.

And yes, we are working on taking the flying back. Perhaps you noticed that the UAL and CAL pilots are in the middle of contract talks and scope is one of the next sections at the table? :D


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