Otto:

"No, the real problem is marketing runs the airline day to day, week to week, month to month, and year to year."

Actually the "real" problem is many pilots think they run the airline. I fly airplanes for hire.

Marketing plans where the best routes (yes they have a lot of failures and probably more failures than successes) and attempts to get ticket prices which will make money.

RJs are just another airplane flown by pilots. Scope is an emotional issue and rightly so. You at CAL have been largely isolated from the issue because of the former size of the airline really didn't prompt MGT to use RJs, but now things have changed.

In the long run the only issue is who flys, how much they get paid and what kind of life will pilots who fly airplanes, small to big, enjoy.

An RJ is not the devil. The devil is in the details of who flys them.

Negative, some may point to the DC9s going away but they forget the fact that Delta is in the process of adding 20+ MD90s to the fleet. 737-900s also coming on aboard as well although a larger percentage of those were "planned" to be replacement aircraft.

Definitely not a net neutral deal, ALPA is projecting 800+ pilot jobs added to mainline because of this deal. A senior FO is looking at an upgrade pay raise plus an additional 20% pay raise after that raise, a much higher ratio of mainline to DCI flying that is contractually protected, and back to the table in 2015. Delay all that trying to hit the home run and "take it all back" on scope? Unwise.

Great Scott! You guys sound like 172 private pilots telling seasoned 747 Captains how to land the 747 in a strong Xwind!

COS is a small city. It's a long thin route to IAD that is effective on a CR7 currently but not on a A319. Maybe if United stimulates the market enough demand will bump up to a A319 or A320.

SFO to DFW is an A319 at peak times during the day, and CR7 during off peak.

Please just fly the plane and let the corporate folks worry about marketing....

So if corporate should worry about marketing, why are you here worrying about "our" feelings about scope? We as United pilots have the right to be as angry and irrational about scope as we want to be. We have been screwed over for years, we have learned the lesson of giving management an inch and management taking a mile.

jdt30:

"We have been screwed over for years, we have learned the lesson of giving management an inch and management taking a mile. "

So what lesson have you learned?

I have learned RJs are here to stay and Trip7 (an RJ pilot) is correct about marketing. Read my past post here the issue is who will represent who flies the airplanes.

In the past this wasn't so. My fellow pilots back in the day gave up the RJs for bolstering the "Big Jet" pay and it sounds like many today are still more interested in max pay over supporting the little jets.

The fact is the small jets fill a space in this business and the past sold their birth right for a bowl of soup.

"Please just fly the plane and let the corporate folks worry about marketing...."

Which will lead to more furloughs as "the corporate folks" pawn off the flying to the lowest bidder.

"Off Peak Times"???
The 5:45a departure on the above mentioned route is an Airbus. The other three "RJ"(s) departures leave at 1:30p-ish, 3:30p-ish, and 6:30p-ish. I buy the 1:30p as an "off time", but with the DFW-SFO city pairing specifically, having the Int'l feed out of SFO in the PM, I sure as heck don't buy your reasoning that the last two RJ's above are "off peak times".

The above is just ONE specific example of UA's over use of the "wrong a/c" on specific stagings. It's NO secret, L-UA's SCOPE provisions allow this, and Marketing will exploit every/last ounce of the issue to "do it on the cheap" to the "lowest bidder".....Right or WRONG.

As far as the mantra you preach, "Leave it to Marketing"....WOW!! If you have not learned by now that leaving it to Marketing costs Mainline jobs, your nuts. Just b/c Marketing 'can' do it, is it always the 'best' model?? I guess with you being on the 'receiving end' of that mantra, it's just fine to let Marketing run amuck??

If WE, Mainline Pilots, sit back and "leave it to Marketing", we've seen exactly where that's gone....The slow train to "jobs go bye-bye". To be clear, that is NOT only germane to the outsourcing of flying via "RJs", it's also going to be in the arena of JV/Foreign Flying as well....Something that BOTH L-CAL/L-UA are very aware of.

Don't buy it.

I should have been more clear. I want all flying to be done by UAL pilots regardless of the size of the jet.

That's why you build in a block hour ratio protection like Delta did. It's simple math. Unlimited 100 seat RJs with a 5% limit on total block hrs is better than 200 50 seat RJs with up to 50% of total block hours allowed. Because CAL has 50 seat scope doesn't mean CAL's scope is better than UAL. It's the mainline to regional block hour ratio that shows who really has better scope. And I bet they are similar. Block hours determine pilot staffing.

At the end of the day, the Delta TA has scope that is far superior to UNICAL's agreements.

Concur with this and as previously said: "70 seat and above flown by Mainline or POUND SAND!"
Jeff, Pete, Fred et al.