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Flyguppy 06-14-2012 04:26 PM

"All the other LCAL councils" remaining quiet is no more.

IAH just put out that they are down to Compensation, Scope, and economic R&I items.

As if those were no big deal........

LCAL councils, shut the **** up already!!!! Let it run it's course.

El10 06-14-2012 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by Regularguy (Post 1212170)
This LCAL Council 153 are chumps for putting this out so near to the planned deadline of the 15th. All they are doing is starting gossip about a section NO ONE HAS ANY IDEA ABOUT!

You might notice all the other LCAL and LUAL councils ahev remained quite and are letting the JNT do their work.

So it is a bad thing to put out and these men need to be horse whipped for violating the trust of 12000 pilots during a critical phase of negotiation.

Shame on your three!!!!

Exactly we hopefully will have plenty of time to discuss merits of this once it gets done. Now is not the time for side shows. Stay United.

bearcat 06-14-2012 07:18 PM

Do you know the LAX reps? This is a poor response.


Originally Posted by Regularguy (Post 1212170)
This LCAL Council 153 are chumps for putting this out so near to the planned deadline of the 15th. All they are doing is starting gossip about a section NO ONE HAS ANY IDEA ABOUT!

You might notice all the other LCAL and LUAL councils ahev remained quite and are letting the JNT do their work.

So it is a bad thing to put out and these men need to be horse whipped for violating the trust of 12000 pilots during a critical phase of negotiation.

Shame on your three!!!!


SpecialTracking 06-14-2012 07:37 PM

Imo we need to see the final language of a TA. The TA also needs a comparison, section by section of the CAL and UAL contracts. Finally, the spin miesters need to stay away and let the pilots make their own, informed decisions.

Zonker 06-15-2012 12:05 AM

No...we need to head any concessions off at the pass before it becomes a TA. ANY TA presented to this pilot group will pass.

SpecialTracking 06-15-2012 03:31 AM


Originally Posted by Zonker (Post 1212400)
No...we need to head any concessions off at the pass before it becomes a TA. ANY TA presented to this pilot group will pass.

Isn't that the job of the MEC? If the MEC's vote no then it will not be presented to the membership. I'm totally in favor of zero concessions in any section. Do we want want individual LEC's or it's members cherry picking the negotiating process?

Zonker 06-15-2012 03:37 AM


Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1212419)
Isn't that the job of the MEC? If the MEC's vote no then it will not be presented to the membership. I'm totally in favor of zero concessions in any section. Do we want want individual LEC's or it's members cherry picking the negotiating process?


Based on the past rushed sales job of an egregiously concessionary contract last time around, cherry picking, nit picking, whatever....is definitely in order.

EWR73FO 06-15-2012 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1212419)
Isn't that the job of the MEC? If the MEC's vote no then it will not be presented to the membership. I'm totally in favor of zero concessions in any section. Do we want want individual LEC's or it's members cherry picking the negotiating process?


The CAL pilots have NEVER voted no on any TA placed before them since 1995. If we can head a train wreck off at the pass, why not do so? Letting it run it's course is what got us the POS C02 we still suffer under now, or are most guys happy with reserve double-pump, VJM, and no snap-back provisions?

Freddriver5 06-15-2012 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by EWR73FO (Post 1212061)
So you are for giving into this and capitulating to the company on scope just to have the contract done by 5PM tomorrow?

So EWR, do you now understand the frustration of myself and all the other posters? L-CAL LEC's need to let the first string do their job and not bite at the ankles of those actually doing the negotiating. Don't try to bait me into your typical personal attacks. I don't know you personally, but from your positions on this board, it would be a real quiet flight if we are ever crewed together.

SpecialTracking 06-15-2012 06:11 AM

I completely understand what you guys are saying. If we give each MEC member a line item veto, we are going to get a contract when?

This topic underscores the importance of LEC elections btw.


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