Scope 6-14-12
06-14-2012, 10:05 AM
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Scope 6-14-12
Following the UCH Shareholder Meeting & Picketing on Tuesday, your MEC has been in session to receive regular updates and be ready to act on any developments towards reaching a TA. Late Wednesday night we heard the much anticipated briefing on one of the most important cornerstones of our contract and our careers—scope.
While the breadth of it was discussed in executive session (and thus not appropriate to mention publicly at this point), we can say that our JNC is definitely thinking outside the box, which we recognize as a means to an end. However, based on the briefing we heard, as well as the myriad of questions that arose, this might be a little too far outside the box for your LEC representatives to be comfortable with, having far too many assumptions of what the future holds and far too many unanswered questions. Furthermore, we feel that this proposal leads us in a direction that we don’t necessarily want to go.
Nonetheless, a motion was made by the MEC to pursue this “alternative proposal,” and it passed with a majority vote from the MEC, without the support of this LEC. The JNC will now turn these ideas into a proposal to pass to the company.
Simply stated, it is the position of your LEC reps that all regional jets larger than 50 seats are airplanes that should be flown by mainline pilots, with mainline pay rates, mainline benefits, and mainline work rules. As we have seen from how the company utilizes these airplanes, they have a well-defined mission that fits within the mainline route structure and carries mainline passengers, just as our other fleets do. We owe it to our passengers to provide them with the same level of service, safety, and pride that they receive in any other mainline airplane.
While it is still possible for the basic framework of a CBA—an Agreement in Principle—to be completed by Friday, we think it is unlikely. We don’t think our JNC should rush and make compromises to make up for the company’s previous procrastination and lack of commitment to completing a JCBA. We are more concerned with getting the right contract and less concerned with whether or not we can finish it by tomorrow.
Stay tuned—it will be interesting to see how this unfolds. We will keep you updated on progress as information is made available to us.
While the breadth of it was discussed in executive session (and thus not appropriate to mention publicly at this point), we can say that our JNC is definitely thinking outside the box, which we recognize as a means to an end. However, based on the briefing we heard, as well as the myriad of questions that arose, this might be a little too far outside the box for your LEC representatives to be comfortable with, having far too many assumptions of what the future holds and far too many unanswered questions. Furthermore, we feel that this proposal leads us in a direction that we don’t necessarily want to go.
Nonetheless, a motion was made by the MEC to pursue this “alternative proposal,” and it passed with a majority vote from the MEC, without the support of this LEC. The JNC will now turn these ideas into a proposal to pass to the company.
Simply stated, it is the position of your LEC reps that all regional jets larger than 50 seats are airplanes that should be flown by mainline pilots, with mainline pay rates, mainline benefits, and mainline work rules. As we have seen from how the company utilizes these airplanes, they have a well-defined mission that fits within the mainline route structure and carries mainline passengers, just as our other fleets do. We owe it to our passengers to provide them with the same level of service, safety, and pride that they receive in any other mainline airplane.
While it is still possible for the basic framework of a CBA—an Agreement in Principle—to be completed by Friday, we think it is unlikely. We don’t think our JNC should rush and make compromises to make up for the company’s previous procrastination and lack of commitment to completing a JCBA. We are more concerned with getting the right contract and less concerned with whether or not we can finish it by tomorrow.
Stay tuned—it will be interesting to see how this unfolds. We will keep you updated on progress as information is made available to us.
06-14-2012, 11:17 AM
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Freakin' amateurs. "We are more concerned with getting the right contract and less concerned with whether or not we can finish it by tomorrow." Really? Can you provide a little larger loophole of solidarity? These guys are like the malformed Spartan in 300...give the warriors water and pull the bodies off the field. Otherwise, stay OUT OF THE WAY.
06-14-2012, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Freddriver5
Freakin' amateurs. "We are more concerned with getting the right contract and less concerned with whether or not we can finish it by tomorrow." Really? Can you provide a little larger loophole of solidarity? These guys are like the malformed Spartan in 300...give the warriors water and pull the bodies off the field. Otherwise, stay OUT OF THE WAY.
So you are for giving into this and capitulating to the company on scope just to have the contract done by 5PM tomorrow?
06-14-2012, 01:00 PM
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I have a slightly different view.
I simply will not read the TA and will be voting NO until we get new management.
Once they put those 70 seaters in our bases (EWR,IAH and CLE) I gave this current management team the figurative "kiss of death". They are of no use to me. They CANNOT be trusted. They found a way to screw us. What makes you think they won't find a way this time. If we get new management, I will give them the curtiousty of reading the TA. I don't trust these m/fers. In my opinion, neither should you all.
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I simply will not read the TA and will be voting NO until we get new management.
Once they put those 70 seaters in our bases (EWR,IAH and CLE) I gave this current management team the figurative "kiss of death". They are of no use to me. They CANNOT be trusted. They found a way to screw us. What makes you think they won't find a way this time. If we get new management, I will give them the curtiousty of reading the TA. I don't trust these m/fers. In my opinion, neither should you all.
El Gwopo
06-14-2012, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by El10
Did they really need to send this out today?
I remain hopefully optimistic, however I fear due to the DL TA its' going to be something similar and thus total crap.
06-14-2012, 03:53 PM
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This LCAL Council 153 are chumps for putting this out so near to the planned deadline of the 15th. All they are doing is starting gossip about a section NO ONE HAS ANY IDEA ABOUT!
You might notice all the other LCAL and LUAL councils ahev remained quite and are letting the JNT do their work.
So it is a bad thing to put out and these men need to be horse whipped for violating the trust of 12000 pilots during a critical phase of negotiation.
Shame on your three!!!!
You might notice all the other LCAL and LUAL councils ahev remained quite and are letting the JNT do their work.
So it is a bad thing to put out and these men need to be horse whipped for violating the trust of 12000 pilots during a critical phase of negotiation.
Shame on your three!!!!
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