That's a good one. I bet if you look at the mainline vs regional total block hours it is the same if not more than the other Legacies. CAL was flying XJT on routes a 70 seater should be flying. They lose some revenue on that but more than make it up with the
cost effective(read poor) work rules and pay CAL has.

Let's see Bill.....

Our Mgt was in the motion of offering (CAL) a "DAL+$1". The CAL Pilot Group saw the smoke & mirrors of the existing DAL PWA as it pertained to SCOPE when comparing it's constraints to the current CAL SCOPE, IE-CAL would have had to conceded SCOPE further by adopting "DAL+$1"......So Yes, CAL Pilots were hell-bent to not further allow the RJ's 'nose in the tent', let alone the camel's a$$ with MORE 76 seaters.

If your current DAL T/A promotes introducing more 76+seaters, have at it. If your advocating that UNITED Pilot's (L-ua/co) allow MORE RJ-feed/size, to that, you'll get a tall glass of "pound sand" from the collective UNITED Pilot Group.

Total Horse Poo. You know better. There is a REASON DAL is so keen to get those new 76 seaters, even if it means parking a larger number of 50 seaters. The 50 seaters are dying, period. They were bought in the era of cheap oil, and are still being flown because they are still under contract. Cheap labor or not, the economics don't work. Co-Worker Jeff has already shown his hand with regards to scope, and he wants bigger jets.... and a lot of them. We could offer UNLIMITED 50 seat RJ flying, and it would be a total non-starter for them.

This is the wrong venue for this, but our scope is much much stronger because of the block hour ratios that come with it. The 76s are gone. Forget them and move on. They are not worth fighting for as a mainline product. You MUST control the numbers of them and their utilization. We did that. Now it's your turn. I hope you can return them to mainline, but I challenge you to be honest and do the math on what it would take to bring them back. I promise you that you will find they just are not worth it.

To each his own though.

Next year about 3000 pilots will be retiring from all the majors. Most of the replacements will come from the regionals. The year after that another 3000 will retire. The swamp will be draining fast at the regionals. Where are they going to find replacement pilots especially with the new ATP rule going into effect next year. The average flight time of pilots hired at Sky West today is in the range of 700-1000 hours. I see a serious predicament over the horizon for all airlines.

There will never be a shortage of qualified pilots. I know dozens of "qualified pilots".. just not dozen of guys willing to work for peanuts and poor workrules.

By shifting from 50s to more 76s on the Delta Side, they have given their DCI carriers an extension with regards to pilot numbers.

On top of that, allowing your (Delta) reserves to work more during the busy summer months, you have helped the company with regards to staffing.
Anyone wanna bet that Delta Does NOT Hire this year?

And when do those 717's show up? sometime in 2013?

Motch

Motch, u will see what will become of their Ta. They didnt hold the line, they just made express more profitable and paid for their raises, albeit, mediocre with the savings in parking 50's, getting more 76's, more efficiencies, and retiring the fat. Their Ta loses jobs and decreases scope for a small pittance. Pathetic, but what did u expect

Do you really believe that political influence won't get them whatever relief their little hearts desire? Let's stop being a bunch of rubes at some point!

PIPE

Believe what you will, but you are 180 out.

Respectfully Motch I'd like to throw this out. First, I don't believe there are as many dequal guys out there as many predict. People look at ATP numbers and assume most of them are really airline pilots. Not a majority of them are "airline pilots" as we know them. Most dequalled for a reason and left the job for a variety of reasons. The most unfortunate were forced out through tragic circumstances, mergers or furloughs and never recovered.

Second, imagine how much it will cost an airline to bring them back to life and be safe at a place like LAX or ORD. Imagine the sim hours, IOE and safety risk management. It's much steeper than one can envision being an active line guy. I think the airlines will be reluctant to tap that labor pool and will gobble up the active guys well before they even approAch this challenge.