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Wait........
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When was the last time you heard a UAL or CAL pilot yell "SEEEEEE YAAAAAAAA" like a big idiot on the radio when switching frequencies?
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Yep, those banks in DEN suck when EVERYBODY is trying to push at once. You get paid by the minute, why b1tch about it? 
Agree completely. But before this gets out of hand, remember who is was that voted that away in the first place. But it's cool, then you can 6 legs a day to GJT, DRO, MTJ, RAP, COS, ASE, HDN, EGE in a 737, airbus, etc.
And before it was "Acey" clogging up the freq in DEN, it was "Air Wisconsin", "Air Shuttle", "SkyWest", "Brickyard/Mercury", Lindberg", "Waterski", etc etc etc etc.
Fear not fellas, some of the Aceys will be on the way out as the Q400 comes in to do flying, operated by Republic. And some of those routes SHOULD be flown by mainline equipment with mainline pilots.
It's NOTHING but the regional shuffle game that Tilton started during the BK and Smugsack is continuing.

Agree completely. But before this gets out of hand, remember who is was that voted that away in the first place. But it's cool, then you can 6 legs a day to GJT, DRO, MTJ, RAP, COS, ASE, HDN, EGE in a 737, airbus, etc.
And before it was "Acey" clogging up the freq in DEN, it was "Air Wisconsin", "Air Shuttle", "SkyWest", "Brickyard/Mercury", Lindberg", "Waterski", etc etc etc etc.
Fear not fellas, some of the Aceys will be on the way out as the Q400 comes in to do flying, operated by Republic. And some of those routes SHOULD be flown by mainline equipment with mainline pilots.
It's NOTHING but the regional shuffle game that Tilton started during the BK and Smugsack is continuing.
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And the blame game continues...........
I think you'd have a hard time trying to convince ANY regional pilot that it's expected of the legacy pilot to improve the regional CBA as your above post indicates.
So you voted NO in the mid 90's on the "RJ's for heavy jets" exchange, as well as NO on contract 2000?
All the regional pilot wants is for the legacy to take back the scope they gave away. ESPECIALLY on the mid term ESOP and contract 2000.
And as another poster indicated, look what happens when a regional MEC negotiates a better CBA for the pilot group. Let' see, COMAIR, ACA, AWAC, Pinnacle..............
Stop venting your frustration/ire/angst on the regional pilots and focus on the REAL problems. 1) Legacy management and 2) ANY legacy pilot that's willing to exchange scope to get something back in the JCBA.
I think you'd have a hard time trying to convince ANY regional pilot that it's expected of the legacy pilot to improve the regional CBA as your above post indicates.
So you voted NO in the mid 90's on the "RJ's for heavy jets" exchange, as well as NO on contract 2000?
All the regional pilot wants is for the legacy to take back the scope they gave away. ESPECIALLY on the mid term ESOP and contract 2000.
And as another poster indicated, look what happens when a regional MEC negotiates a better CBA for the pilot group. Let' see, COMAIR, ACA, AWAC, Pinnacle..............
Stop venting your frustration/ire/angst on the regional pilots and focus on the REAL problems. 1) Legacy management and 2) ANY legacy pilot that's willing to exchange scope to get something back in the JCBA.
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WHAT!?!? Wait a sec, you really wanna go down the road of comparing work rules for CAL vs. XJT? Go ahead: DH pay? Commuter missed trip? Sick note for a sick call? Training on days off? Line bidding vs PBS? Vacation drop?
Seriously, focus on YOUR contract and tighten scope! We've been telling you that for YEARS! If you don't or can't then don't blame us.
Scope is a Mainline self-inflicted wound, and nothing more!
Seriously, focus on YOUR contract and tighten scope! We've been telling you that for YEARS! If you don't or can't then don't blame us.
Scope is a Mainline self-inflicted wound, and nothing more!
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I obviously haven't made it to a major yet either, but last week when dining with a few XJT guys at the Soup Nazis in Terminal C, we struck up a conversation with a CAL crew, who said they were planning on hiring 45 a month starting in October. When they left the discussion of "Do you really want to go to the new United?" came up. Bitter pilots and employees, dragged out negotiations, inept management..... We came to the realization that, while working for a company that sells it's own tickets would be nice, it just isn't worth it until the contract is settled. And I'm not saying this to flame, I have a lot of friends over on the dark side who told me flat out "Don't come here, it isn't worth it".
And I say this not to *****, but to challenge. Raise the bar for your contract, tighten scope. Us 50 seat guys know our role of DAY, GRR and SBN turns. Please recognize your role as a major airline doing the majority of the flying! 99 percent of us at the regionals wish you nothing but the best for your contract!
And I say this not to *****, but to challenge. Raise the bar for your contract, tighten scope. Us 50 seat guys know our role of DAY, GRR and SBN turns. Please recognize your role as a major airline doing the majority of the flying! 99 percent of us at the regionals wish you nothing but the best for your contract!
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I obviously haven't made it to a major yet either, but last week when dining with a few XJT guys at the Soup Nazis in Terminal C, we struck up a conversation with a CAL crew, who said they were planning on hiring 45 a month starting in October. When they left the discussion of "Do you really want to go to the new United?" came up. Bitter pilots and employees, dragged out negotiations, inept management..... We came to the realization that, while working for a company that sells it's own tickets would be nice, it just isn't worth it until the contract is settled. And I'm not saying this to flame, I have a lot of friends over on the dark side who told me flat out "Don't come here, it isn't worth it".
Just realize, the company that looks great now might not be doing so well in 5 or 10 years, and vice versa. It's all just a crap shoot as I am sure you know. If the hiring does start soon, and I think it should, I would definitely recommend getting on at the beginning of the wave, not the end. I learned that one the hard way...
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I can also guarantee that you've never heard or never will hear me say, "Seeeeeeeee Yaaaaaaa!" like a big idiot. I can also assure you that anyone I'm flying with won't be doing it for long. I can tell you I've heard CAL guys start arguments with EWR Ground for petty stuff that normally ends in, "I can make you number 5 or number 75. Your choice, sir.", or major guys continually arguing with controllers when asked to do something, or the snide comments on Ramp, Ground and Tower when asked to follow an RJ, or my personal favorite, the female CAL captain who signed off with "Toodles" in a high-pitched voice from IAH to the east coast.
I understand, though. I'm just an RJ pilot. Maybe someday, I can be a real pilot.
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Hey EMB,
You have got to understand the position there. You are flying OUR flying, you are correct, we do have a scope that allows it. What you DONT know, is that we never got to vote for the relaxed scope. A MEC Chairman in the dark of night named PW, and whos name will forever hang in the house of shame, signed over 50% of our "domestic" flying, or so he thought, United interpreted it to be 50% of total block hours....
Hence the frustration on our side. Its not you per se, its what you represent to the mainline. Lower scale pay, less work rules, less training, less education required, a complete drag to the bottom of our profession, etc etc that we had fought for decades to get, and then lose in bankruptcy. It sucks.
The majors demand a 4 year education, the regionals do not. The majors demand an ATP, the regionals do not. The majors demand a clean criminal record, the regionals do not. And so on, and so on......You represent UAL to the public........nuff said.
J
You have got to understand the position there. You are flying OUR flying, you are correct, we do have a scope that allows it. What you DONT know, is that we never got to vote for the relaxed scope. A MEC Chairman in the dark of night named PW, and whos name will forever hang in the house of shame, signed over 50% of our "domestic" flying, or so he thought, United interpreted it to be 50% of total block hours....
Hence the frustration on our side. Its not you per se, its what you represent to the mainline. Lower scale pay, less work rules, less training, less education required, a complete drag to the bottom of our profession, etc etc that we had fought for decades to get, and then lose in bankruptcy. It sucks.
The majors demand a 4 year education, the regionals do not. The majors demand an ATP, the regionals do not. The majors demand a clean criminal record, the regionals do not. And so on, and so on......You represent UAL to the public........nuff said.
J
To say we voted scope away is a truth in the shallowest of terms. We were told by alpa( Whiteferg/Pierce) that this is the best agreement we will get and the judge will certainly impose worse. A wise lesson learned if and when I'm looking at a JCBA TA while simultaneously listening to the voice of alpa.
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a) No matter how good it might be right now, no regional (not a single one) is a "career" airline. In fact, they are not really even airlines--- just outsourced employee staffing companies. This is not flame bait but just an statement of the situation since the only way they make money is by paying less to their employees than the fee charged to the major. In essence, their business is providing lower cost employees to the major. Everything else at a regional "airline" is provided (or reimbursed) by the major: fuel, aircraft leases, landing fees, marketing & sales, gates, ect.... For pilots, regionals provide an opportunity to get some experience on the way up the food chain, but job security is only as good as the current contract. Considering that the entire regional industry is designed as a whipsaw, this is a tenuous situation.
b) Since every regional pilot needs to be thinking about the next job (see "a" above), there is never a reason to wait if you have the qualifications and are going attempt to move up to a major eventually anyway. The seniority numbers missed by waiting for "things to be perfect" will haunt one his/her entire career. Besides, sitting on the bottom of list doesn't prevent one from still applying elsewhere if another company remains one's first choice.
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