Originally Posted by APC225

We reserve the right to publicly express our frustration with the process anytime and anywhere. And we will do it legally. But we also do not take actions for the sake of action. We will continue to constantly evaluate if the process is indeed working. We have waited nine years for this contract, and our families are hungry. We have indicated to you before that negotiations are a rollercoaster, and the decision to publicly express ourselves, or not, has a toll on our pilots. We will not do it needlessly or without purpose; but we will do it when it is warranted. The NMB has asked that we allow the process to continue under their supervision. A war is composed of many battles; sometimes you have to choose the right ones.

Originally Posted by horrido27

^ Great post...
I've said this for a month+ now.. we could have a JCBA Passed tomorrow with everything we wanted PLUS 10%.. this operation wouldn't be fixed.

At this point, the problems are so far beyond just a pilot JCBA.

I (and most of the pilots I know).. still do our required job. I make the call to maintenance, I make the call to Ops, etc..
With a JCBA, I might make 2 or 3 calls to them.. still isn't going to fix the problem!
Nope, at this point- just along for the ride. I will stay Professional to/for my passengers till the day I retire. I will try and be nice/help out my fellow employees (with the caveat that- you get what you give).

But I don't say that I'm a "United Pilot".. I still say, when asked- "I fly for Continental".
Maybe someday, after a JCBA/SLI & New Management, I'll say "United".. but until then~

Anyway, off my soapbox.

Always
Motch

Originally Posted by horrido27

Syd111..
You're welcome.

Trust me, I told the UAL guys I know (that were semi glad about this merger.. as they hated Tilton and were hoping this would turn out good..) that I didn't trust Jeffrey and that we better watch out.

What I never expected was that the two Unions couldn't come together and make a battle plan. We should never have signed the TPA extension. We should have had black and white language in the original TPA that if no JCBA by the end, all bets are off and we're shutting the place down.

There's a lot of "should have's''.. but now it's too late.
I hope I'm wrong and we do have a JCBA that we can be proud of before the New Year.. but if not-
I made a statement at my local council meeting back in the Spring, with regards to the Profit Sharing for the Continental Pilots (I was against the way we got it... I stated that on numerous venues, and i never took the money for my own use- it went to a Charity).
I asked what the plan was to get us Profit Sharing in 2013 for 2012 and what we would be negotiating away to get it. Not a popular thing to say~
[BTW, giving up the 76-2's had a major negative effect on the 756 EWR BES this entire summer.. both in Pay and QOL]
Hope we don't go through some BS Grievance give away to get it again, and I hope we don't sign another TPA Extension again.

BTW, UAL/ALPA filled a Grievance against the company last week saying United in in violation of your CBA,

Dear Chief Pilots:
Pursuant to Section 17 of the Agreement between United Airlines Inc. and the Air Line
Pilots Association, the undersigned representing the Pilots of Councils 11, 12, 27, 33, 34,
52, 57 and 93 hereby requests a hearing regarding the facts as described below:
FACTS:
1. Letter of Agreement 94-01 binds UAL Corp and its successor entity United
Continental Holdings, Inc. and all Affiliates to the requirements of Section 1 of the
United Pilots' Collective Bargaining Agreement.
2. Section 1 of the United Pilots' Collective Bargaining Agreement grants the pilots on
the United Pilot Seniority list the sole and exclusive right to operate and perform all
Company flying.
3. Section I-B-l states "Company Flying" includes without limitation all commercial
flight operations of any sort whatsoever, whether revenue, nonrevenue, scheduled
or unscheduled, conducted by the Company or a Company Affiliate.
4. Section l-K-l defines "Affiliate" as "any other Entity which directly or indirectly
controls, is controlled by or is under common control with Entity A.
5. On March 4, 2012, UCH transitioned into a single Passenger Service System
(SHARES) and instituted the sole use of the lATA code UA, the ICAO code UAL,
and the Ticket/Account code 016 for all Company flying.

POSITION:
The Company violated Letter of Agreement 94-01 and Section 1 of the United Pilots'
Collective Bargaining Agreement by solely operating flights with the lATA code UA,
the ICAO code UAL, and the Ticket/Account code 016 with pilots who are not on the
United Pilots' System Seniority List (the "United Pilots").

RELIEF REQUESTED:
1. The Company cease and desist from violating LOA 94-01 and Section 1 of the UAL
Pilots' Collective Bargaining Agreement.
2. The Company return all United Air Lines Affiliate Flying to the pilots on the United
Seniority List.
3. The Company indemnify and make whole the pilots of L-UAL, for all flying done
in violation of the UAL Pilots' Collective Bargaining Agreement, including but not
limited to income, benefits, Profit Sharing, "B" and "C" Plan allocations, and
imputed interest at the statutory interest rate of 9% as required under Chapter 815
of the Illinois Compiled Statutes.
VAL 57 Grievance Committee
Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l
August 30, 2012
Page 3
4. The Company indemnify and make whole all L-UAL pilots for the loss of any
upgrade and transition opportunities due to any Affiliate flying.
5. The Company indemnify and make whole all L-UAL pilots for the loss of any
future upgrade and transition opportunities due to any Affiliate flying.
6. The Company immediately reinstate all 1436L-UAL furloughees, with back pay,
from the date the Company instituted the sole use of the lATA code VA, the ICAO
code UAL, and the Ticket/Account code 016 for all Company flying.
7. Any and all other relief available under the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
It is requested that the Company send a copy of all hearing notices and decisions
rendered in thiS}Se to the individuals listed below:

Hope it does some good..
Believe it or not, I want this merger/airline to succeed. My future is tied in directly. That being said, I have not ran into one Continental Pilot or Flight Attendant that believes that our (CAL) side has gotten better since the merger.
Just the opposite-
More MEL's then ever before, less service with regards to BF passengers, longer lines everywhere, more stress, and an overall feeling that 'we suck'. That was never there before the merger.
[Yes, CAL had major issues before this merger.. and I'm not here to say one airline was better that the other.. both had positives and negatives prior to May 2010]

It is what it is..
Motch

Originally Posted by Attny

Because you're adult professionals...although a very difficult, theoretical concept for some.

Originally Posted by UAL MEC CHAIR

We have waited nine years for this contract, and our families are hungry.

Originally Posted by APC225

Regardless of how good or bad the TA is, if it gets to the pilots it will pass.