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Scott Stoops 10-23-2012 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot (Post 1281512)
I still think it should be one rate for ALL CA's and one for ALL FO's. Time *****s shouldn't be rewarded, just as pilots on reserve who HAVE to work 18 days a month and be abused shouldn't be screwed. If everyone gets the same amount, then NO ONE will be able to say the other guy got "more". JMHO of course.....................:o Besides, it's going to be a fricking nightmare if they start dissecting everyone's pay registers. Would take YEARS to figure out everyones "RETRO".............

Naw, pretty easy actually. You have three W2's (4 for CAL?). Three hourly rates, and three new rates (one for each year based on what Delta guys made during that time?). Calculate the difference. Put half a dozen people on it, and it could be done in a week. We're only talking about 11000 people here. Then again, someone could write a bit of code and have it done in less than a day worth of calculations. Heck, my smart phone has the power... then again, we're an IT company with wings. Can't be that hard to manage...

Scott

Captain Bligh 10-23-2012 05:06 PM

Know what's really funny about all this JP vs. JP and sUA against sCO discussion?

You've all missed the point and are falling right into the company's trap. You're arguing about how and when to distribute way too little money, rather than all of us collectively saying, if it's only 4 big bills...SEND IT BACK.

syd111 10-23-2012 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by Captain Bligh (Post 1281645)
Know what's really funny about all this JP vs. JP and sUA against sCO discussion?

You've all missed the point and are falling right into the company's trap. You're arguing about how and when to distribute way too little money, rather than all of us collectively saying, if it's only 4 big bills...SEND IT BACK.

You might want to take another look as I and many others have mentioned that they will look at the retro and if it not what we are looking for we won't read any further, which mean we will vote no and try to send it back. I don't think I am falling into any trap at all, however I can't speak for our leadership.

NFLUALNFL 10-23-2012 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by Captain Bligh (Post 1281645)
Know what's really funny about all this JP vs. JP and sUA against sCO discussion?

You've all missed the point and are falling right into the company's trap. You're arguing about how and when to distribute way too little money, rather than all of us collectively saying, if it's only 4 big bills...SEND IT BACK.

Ding. Somebody here or on another thread mentioned "fighting over table scraps". Don't snap at the other mutt, go after whomever is not giving enough food.
Read the TA in its entirety and vote your conscience.

WOOF

ewrbasedpilot 10-23-2012 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by Scott Stoops (Post 1281602)
Naw, pretty easy actually. You have three W2's (4 for CAL?). Three hourly rates, and three new rates (one for each year based on what Delta guys made during that time?). Calculate the difference. Put half a dozen people on it, and it could be done in a week. We're only talking about 11000 people here. Then again, someone could write a bit of code and have it done in less than a day worth of calculations. Heck, my smart phone has the power... then again, we're an IT company with wings. Can't be that hard to manage...

Scott

So guys who've been below the G line and get lines over 50% of the time because of their ability to "preblock" days get nicer checks than those of us who are "screwed" by PBS, have to work EVERY weekend and holiday and get the tar abused out of us. Yeah, sounds pretty fair to me. Nothing like continuing to reward the ones who hurt us the most................... :rolleyes:

Ottopilot 10-23-2012 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot (Post 1281666)
So guys who've been below the G line and get lines over 50% of the time because of their ability to "preblock" days get nicer checks than those of us who are "screwed" by PBS, have to work EVERY weekend and holiday and get the tar abused out of us. Yeah, sounds pretty fair to me. Nothing like continuing to reward the ones who hurt us the most................... :rolleyes:

So people who worked weekends and holidays should get more? A reverse seniority system?

Old UCAL CA 10-24-2012 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by Ottopilot (Post 1281696)
So people who worked weekends and holidays should get more? A reverse seniority system?

If one gets more for working weekends and holidays, your "reverse seniority system" will quickly "reverse" itself.

syd111 10-24-2012 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA (Post 1281908)
If one gets more for working weekends and holidays, your "reverse seniority system" will quickly "reverse" itself.

Only for some people.

krudawg 10-24-2012 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot (Post 1281512)
I still think it should be one rate for ALL CA's and one for ALL FO's. Time *****s shouldn't be rewarded, just as pilots on reserve who HAVE to work 18 days a month and be abused shouldn't be screwed. If everyone gets the same amount, then NO ONE will be able to say the other guy got "more". JMHO of course.....................:o Besides, it's going to be a fricking nightmare if they start dissecting everyone's pay registers. Would take YEARS to figure out everyones "RETRO".............

After reading all the various ways of dividing the retro or Signing Bonus, as the company prefers to call it, I have drawn the following conclusions:
Each individual pilot is trying to carve out a bigger slice than they may be entitled to because of a desire to "get mine and screw anyone else". I get that-greed is a motivator that separates Capitalists from Communists. I don't want any less "than my fair share" but I am not willing to argue endlessly about what is "fair" - nobody will convince someone else to take less. We are all providing fodder to the UA management team. So let's take a page out of Rick Dubinsky's book and "choke the goose to lay more golden eggs" Gentlemen; we must throw this AIP back at the company and tell them NO! I want UAL to choke on the retro pay so next time they will think twice about dragging on negotiations and wearing down the pilot group.

APC225 10-24-2012 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by krudawg (Post 1281938)
Each individual pilot is trying to carve out a bigger slice than they may be entitled to because of a desire to "get mine and screw anyone else". I get that-greed is a motivator that separates Capitalists from Communists. I don't want any less "than my fair share" but I am not willing to argue endlessly about what is "fair" - nobody will convince someone else to take less.

It'll be hard to get around that.


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