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Take the entire amount and divide by 12000. Done

Boxer,

Thanks for you're effort in the lengthy response but, in the end, that is social engineering at it's best. As for the $400 extra large, that can be housed some place warm and dark.

Regards

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Originally Posted by SOTeric (Post 1281256)

He is. There's really nothing too complicated about multiplying hours flown since the amendable date by the new pay rate.

Or, more to the point, he's supportive of pos' attempt at a money grab.

Let's expose this cockroach. Fix the stupid pay banding seniority grab too.

Failed.....Again.
Your consistent though Sunshine.
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Question for the sUA guys. When was the last time your MEC actually used the term "Retro Pay" in an official communication? It's crystal clear that pure retro is not what is being divvied up here, and was curious when the ALPA's stopped bandying that term around in favor of "signing bonus."

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Originally Posted by 47dog (Post 1281263)

Paladin
I've been very involved with ALPA in the past. Maybe they could not go to MEC meeting in FLL or Hawaii. Not stay at golf resorts. It goes on and on. It's become very corrupt and ALPA has turned into the large corrupt organization it was once formed to fight.

(isn't there a great building with meeting room near the airport in Houston????)

Trust me 47, in no way am I trying to defend alpa. They have been corrupt for a long time. But to say the money to pay any "retro" should come from alpa is nonsensical at best.

Yes there is a meeting room near the airport in Houston that would make an excellent venue for union meetings, as well as ample hotel space. Unfortunately, because of the nature of the organization, the lavish boondoggles these clowns put on will continue.

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Originally Posted by CALFO (Post 1281282)

Take the entire amount and divide by 12000. Done

So a junior guppy f/o gets the same as 400 capt? I think the guppy f/o should get more since that greedy 400 capt has been sitting at the top of the pile for the last 5 years making all that money and blocking me from my rightful seat. He should have done the honorable thing and retired at 60. In fact, that money hog whale capt shouldn't get a penny. Right now, I'm not even sure if that rich airline pilot deserves a pat on the back the day he retires.

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Originally Posted by CALFO (Post 1281282)

Take the entire amount and divide by 12000. Done

Great for the new hires.

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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1281284)

Boxer,

Thanks for you effort in the lengthy response but, in the end, that is social engineering at it's best. As for the $400 extra large, that can be housed some place warm and dark.

Regards

ST,

I guess we can call it whatever you would like. However, you need to ask yourself what your ultimate goal is for the short term but also the long term. Am I guessing wrong about the possible difference in the dollar amount?

Boxer,

After ten years of punishment, it simply comes down to principle. Regarding the 400, I have as much knowledge as you. Which is zippy. If $400 million is presented as the total retro/signing bonus or whatever you want to call it, I don't think it will be well received.

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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1281269)

Socal, you really do want to argue this don't you? In it's most purest form, retro
is the difference you are owed since the amendable date. I'm not talking work rules, what seat you should have been flying but chose not to for quality of life(cal guys do understand quality of life right?), b/c fund contributions, etc, but straight salary.

It would be simple if mr jeff said 100% retro for all, but he is too smart for that. Jeff is offering pennies on the dollar so we can subsidize this contract. We are being played, again.

ST~
Show me where I'm arguing with you?!?! You expressed there is a "simple" way, and I'm (was) asking you for your answer......TO what I got, "Obtuse"......Just about as clear as the original statement:rolleyes:

Contrary to your popular belief, I'm ASKING you to EXPLAIN your definition of "simple solution" regarding the topic, NOTHING more, NOTHING less. Reason being, as there have been more L-UA guys/gals flying through IAH, I've heard first hand several different "Simple Retro/Signing Solutions" ranging from A-Z while shooting idle time in the crew lounge.....thus asking you what your was. Nothing "cloaked" here.
???Capish???

If your apple-cart gets upset when being asked to explain 'something' you say, after throwing out a "vague/blanked response", I suggest being a bit more clear, or not getting your "pantalones" in a bunch when asked for clarification.

For the record, my stance ('defining' is the same) in figuring RETRO/SIGNING BONUS, or the new buzz-phrase "lump-sum" jives with yours. To "factor" straight off the W2 reports. The period to be factored would begin when the respective companies & their amendable dates per their CBA's "came and went". I agree that jEFF "let" the MEC's do his dirty work......"Here, you figure it out". It was HIS loan, now it's HIS work to 'pay it back' to us.