Frankenstorm ?ROFL .
Surprised they did'nt use 'The Perfect Storm ' oh wait that one has already been used .:rolleyes:

UFB....Nothing surprises me anymore. Pig is putting it mildly.

Yea, if the line holders flew less more people would have taken the CAL offer. Sure. :rolleyes:

To you @#@@@ss! If you look at all the times the company requests junior manning which is on average every other week, yes every other week, then this is the boy who cried wolf. CAL pilots are all too happy to use this storm as justification just like all the other times they picked up 150% valued trips in the past: company needs our help, important for passengers, for revenue, for the chief pilot, for the pilot group....... give me a break.

Motch, screw these guys. It's not worth the effort. Take some time off. You can't argue with brain surgeons. Like the other thread saying they won't cave on an $8 raise when for many of them it's around $40 based on leaked rates. Or the thread talking about all the military guys they hired. We just have scabs. They dont (oh wait, they do). Our guys pick up vjm. Probably just a couple of percent. I fly with the united guys all the time. It's a mix. Some good. Some plain awful. I'd say drop all this us vs them stuff. But every time I run into one of them, I get some more. Ran into a couple drunk UAL guys who started their crap. "why are we using all of CALs procedures" they slurred. Then I mentioned one after another from ual and callouts etc. no response. This scab stereotype etc is getting old. I have a dozen jumpseat stories on lual flights and the guys were about 90% yes. Sad. Good luck guys working this out on the forums. Big talkers on the Internet. Not so much face to face as I found out. Take care

Guess we will have to see the breakdown of Yes vs. No voters on each property when it comes to that. I don't treat anybody like they are a scab unless they ARE a scab period.

Don't worry about the face to face bs - Motch is a former colleague and current friend. He has my contact details.

Hay FFlyer.. or should I say "tool"..

I have never picked up open time at CAL. I know alot of my fellow pilots who also never picked up open time when we had people on the street.

I have helped out my fellow pilots with trip trades or Adv trades when I could, and a few have helped me out in similar situations.
Does CAL have a larger % of Scabs and Saviors than UAL.. probably.
But I don't lump an entire group by the actions of a few.. and I was asking 47dog if he was accusing me directly for/about picking up open time.

You ever want to discuss this issue with me face to face, no problem.
My name is "Motch" and I don't hide who I am or how I think.

Motch

PS> I'm one of the guys who lives local, am on Reserve and was scheduled to fly a trip tonight. Had to do an emergency drop. It probably/hopefully has to do with someone picking up or volunteering to fly the next few days~
This is one time where the Pilot Group, the Union and the Company should be working together to help everyone out.

Shrek..
We'll know how we all voted sometime next year (!). But one thing that does worry me is that if it's a ****ty deal for the CAL Side but still goes out to the membership for a Vote- I expect the CAL Scabs and a good percentage of my Senior (55yr+) guys to vote yes. Also worried that some of the middle guys will vote yes due to hopes of upgrades.
I expect almost all of the bottom 3rd at CAL to Vote NO.

The question then becomes- what is the feeling of the UAL Pilots?
That is still to be seen.
From what I've heard, your guys are pretty much leaning NO based on the leaked PayRates and the $400 mil Retro/Signing Bonus. Hope that is true.

The wild card will be the Election and what happens with the Distribution Arbitration.

Motch

PS> One of the scariest thing is this- all the Active UAL Pilots are on 12th yr pay. Looking at the "leaked" payrates, you see a higher % of increase for UAL 12th yr pay vs. any/most CAL % of increase.
While I understand that the UAL group has worked under worse pay than the CAL Pilots, the CAL Pilots have worked under worse conditions that the UAL Pilots. So, basically we've both been screwed.. just in different positions!

I thought I heard everyone was offered a job? Aren't we hiring off the street?

Motch, u know the bottom third here will vote no too

So, were up to 1/3 total no, we just need another 16.8% and voila ...nope!