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11-14-2012 | 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by badflaps

Yah, the 50s' are great.....until it is 85 degrees and you wave bye bye....

Depends on the "50". A CRJ200 is not the same as an ERJ145 is not the same as an ERJ145XR.

And yep, they can't go away quick enough. But not all the ZFW, runway, climb, landing structural limitations are the same.

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Denver is most likely the reason why that was put in there. You basically can't go anywhere east any more.

You would hope. But that's not stopping Jeffrey from sending the Q400 DEN-MCI as an example. Well under the 900 limit.

11-15-2012 | 02:29 AM

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What I really like about this scope is that it includes the 76 seat turboprop within the 76 limit. Those are the future in a world of high fuel prices, and currently we have no scope restrictions on those.

You know what I like about it? Nothin!!

11-15-2012 | 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by stylie310

Denver is most likely the reason why that was put in there. You basically can't go anywhere east any more.

What I really like about this scope is that it includes the 76 seat turboprop within the 76 limit. Those are the future in a world of high fuel prices, and currently we have no scope restrictions on those.

The company made a mistake including the turboprops in the total number and would very much like to revisit that issue.

11-15-2012 | 08:53 AM

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Here is your map

900 NM. Not much of a restriction if you ask me.

11-15-2012 | 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mach93

900 NM. Not much of a restriction if you ask me.

That 900nm restriction off the west and east coasts look pretty good to me. I think we should cede the regionals that. In fact, give them more!

11-15-2012 | 09:41 AM

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That 900nm restriction off the west and east coasts look pretty good to me. I think we should cede the regionals that. In fact, give them more!

Easily done. OP, please add the SFO and SEA LUAL bases.

11-15-2012 | 09:41 AM

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Does'nt matter what airplane is better CRJ vs EMB.. It's all about the leases and the willingness to play the 2/1 swap out game... And don't get fooled by XTJ's "1 for 1 upgage" SkyWest Inc. has proven that the are willing to "help" there partners out..

11-15-2012 | 09:51 AM

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900 NM. Not much of a restriction if you ask me.

XJT already flies 50 seaters further than 900nm and look at some of the routes Skywest and GoJets fly on their 70 seaters they are much longer. So the 900nm is a big increase over what is going on now.

11-15-2012 | 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by stylie310

Here are the numbers I found on Wikipedia for the UAL/CAL combined RJ feed.

66 50's skw
12 50's chit
17 50's trans
234 50's + 6 135's exjet

175 70's
16 76's (Q400)
336 50's
720 Total

The way I understand, the company can get 64 more 70/76 without consequence. At the 65th 70/76 seater, the 450 hard cap kicks in and they have to park 142 50 seaters. That would leave Expressjet with a 92 aircraft fleet. Or they can decimate the 50's everywhere else and that leaves Expressjet with 187 50's.

720?! That's a ****load of RJs. *** is going on?

11-15-2012 | 10:15 AM

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720?! That's a ****load of RJs. *** is going on?

Scope relaxation, that's what WENT on.

Pre 9/11 on the mid term ESOP and contract 2000, as well as during the concessions in BK. Either on the vote, or when the UAL MEC did the "70 seat giveaway".