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stylie310 11-14-2012 02:31 PM

Math in public (SCOPE)
 
Here are the numbers I found on Wikipedia for the UAL/CAL combined RJ feed.

66 50's skw
12 50's chit
17 50's trans
234 50's + 6 135's exjet

175 70's
16 76's (Q400)
336 50's
720 Total

The way I understand, the company can get 64 more 70/76 without consequence. At the 65th 70/76 seater, the 450 hard cap kicks in and they have to park 142 50 seaters. That would leave Expressjet with a 92 aircraft fleet. Or they can decimate the 50's everywhere else and that leaves Expressjet with 187 50's.

Stud7094 11-14-2012 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stylie310 (Post 1293007)
Here are the numbers I found on Wikipedia for the UAL/CAL combined RJ feed.

66 50's skw
12 50's chit
17 50's trans
234 50's + 6 135's exjet

175 70's
16 76's (Q400)
336 50's
720 Total

The way I understand, the company can get 64 more 70/76 without consequence. At the 65th 70/76 seater, the 450 hard cap kicks in and they have to park 142 50 seaters. That would leave Expressjet with a 92 aircraft fleet. Or they can decimate the 50's everywhere else and that leaves Expressjet with 187 50's.


From a logical stance the emb is a better aircraft that can carry 50 people 65 bags and go 1200 nm but we all know that uncial is not logical and will probably decimate xjt just because we cost to much.

LCAL dude 11-14-2012 05:57 PM

They WANT to get rid of the 50 seaters. Why help them?

El10 11-14-2012 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Stud7094 (Post 1293014)
From a logical stance the emb is a better aircraft that can carry 50 people 65 bags and go 1200 nm but we all know that uncial is not logical and will probably decimate xjt just because we cost to much.

Does not matter once limited to 900nm.

80ktsClamp 11-14-2012 06:04 PM

Did they define the powerplant in the scope section? No longer exempting turboprops (and hopefully not geared turbofan)?

badflaps 11-14-2012 06:05 PM

Yah, the 50s' are great.....until it is 85 degrees and you wave bye bye....

LCAL dude 11-14-2012 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by El10 (Post 1293162)
Does not matter once limited to 900nm.


Can anyone graphics gurus here take a US map and draw 900nm rings around the UCal hubs, please? You'd be stunned to see how much flying that is.

oldmako 11-14-2012 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LCAL dude (Post 1293158)
They WANT to get rid of the 50 seaters. Why help them?

BINGO!
I flew in the JS recently on a 60 min leg. ATC limited them to 14,000'. They told me that it was a typical altitude. That's something like 3000 pounds per hour to haul 50 people! The 50 seat jet is dying on on the vine! It's what killed ACA, or Independence or SkeenCrapAir or whatever it was called. JUNK! EXPENSIVE TO OPERATE JUNK!

flyinaway411 11-14-2012 06:58 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by El10 (Post 1293162)
Does not matter once limited to 900nm.


Can anyone graphics gurus here take a US map and draw 900nm rings around the UCal hubs, please? You'd be stunned to see how much flying that is.
Not to mention that limit only applies to 80% of UAX "feed"

stylie310 11-14-2012 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LCAL dude (Post 1293168)
Can anyone graphics gurus here take a US map and draw 900nm rings around the UCal hubs, please? You'd be stunned to see how much flying that is.

Denver is most likely the reason why that was put in there. You basically can't go anywhere east any more.

What I really like about this scope is that it includes the 76 seat turboprop within the 76 limit. Those are the future in a world of high fuel prices, and currently we have no scope restrictions on those.


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