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Mach93 11-15-2012 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by David Watts (Post 1293516)
XJT already flies 50 seaters further than 900nm and look at some of the routes Skywest and GoJets fly on their 70 seaters they are much longer. So the 900nm is a big increase over what is going on now.

Remember only 80% of the routes are capped at 900NM 20% of the routes are uncapped.

PBSG 11-15-2012 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by surfnski (Post 1293520)
720?! That's a ****load of RJs. *** is going on?

Years ago people laughed at the notion of having an RJ as a viable player in the market - and they "gave the practice jets to the practice pilots".

But don't worry. Every UAL guy I see has a 'United against outsourcing' sticker on their bag. They will fix this RJ mess and tighten scope.

I mean for years all I've heard was how loosening scope was an automatic no vote, how there will never be another RJ on property, how they were finally gonna get scope right.

Right? Right.

LCAL dude 11-15-2012 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by PBSG (Post 1293603)
Years ago people laughed at the notion of having an RJ as a viable player in the market - and they "gave the practice jets to the practice pilots".

But don't worry. Every UAL guy I see has a 'United against outsourcing' sticker on their bag. They will fix this RJ mess and tighten scope.

I mean for years all I've heard was how loosening scope was an automatic no vote, how there will never be another RJ on property, how they were finally gonna get scope right.

Right? Right.

Yeah, and a few years later when I was doing 737 routes in my ERJ I used to hear Cal pilots say "You took our flying!!". To which I would reply "Don't blame me, you gave it away!"

You think they'd learn.....

APC225 11-15-2012 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by LCAL dude (Post 1293905)
Yeah, and a few years later when I was doing 737 routes in my ERJ I used to hear Cal pilots say "You took our flying!!". To which I would reply "Don't blame me, you gave it away!"

You think they'd learn.....

No, they just get old and confused.

trip 11-16-2012 06:17 AM

Any guess as to what percent UAX flying is now over 900nm? I bet it's not 20% so most likely they spent negotiating capital one a whole lot of nothing.

PBSG 11-16-2012 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by LCAL dude (Post 1293905)
Yeah, and a few years later when I was doing 737 routes in my ERJ I used to hear Cal pilots say "You took our flying!!". To which I would reply "Don't blame me, you gave it away!"

You think they'd learn.....

I'm just tired of the constant chest thumping on scope. You want to kill the RJs, this is your chance to do it. Quit complaining and tighten scope.

And yes, I am an XJT RJ guy. I have zero desire to fly larger aircraft at this company. And for all of the scope talk I hear from CAL guys its time to act. I also will buy thousands of stickers that say 'You f*cked up' and put them over their "United against outsourcing" sticker if this passes.

xjtguy 11-16-2012 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by PBSG (Post 1294096)
And yes, I am an XJT RJ guy. I have zero desire to fly larger aircraft at this company. And for all of the scope talk I hear from CAL guys its time to act. I also will buy thousands of stickers that say 'You f*cked up' and put them over their "United against outsourcing" sticker if this passes.

Same here, kill the RJ's.

That whole "Operation Orane/United against outsourcing" is a FANTASTIC message.

However, some of the messengers themselves flat out suck at conveying the message. There's a particular ORD based Airbus CA that has no problems walking up to UAX pilots, lecturing them how it's all their fault. Then, stuffs a handful of "Operation Orange" cards at you and tells you put them in your crew room and hand them out to your coworkers. Happened to me, I've seen him do it to other guys as well. All with that "woe is us the mainline and the UAX pilots that took away our flying" mentality.

LCAL dude 11-16-2012 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by PBSG (Post 1294096)
I'm just tired of the constant chest thumping on scope. You want to kill the RJs, this is your chance to do it. Quit complaining and tighten scope.

And yes, I am an XJT RJ guy. I have zero desire to fly larger aircraft at this company. And for all of the scope talk I hear from CAL guys its time to act. I also will buy thousands of stickers that say 'You f*cked up' and put them over their "United against outsourcing" sticker if this passes.

I'll be the first guy to buy some from you.

shiznit 11-16-2012 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by Mach93 (Post 1293488)
900 NM. Not much of a restriction if you ask me.


http://s15.postimage.org/o88r7f4ij/900_mile_RJ.jpg

To be specific, it is actually 900 statute miles but the point is Wellsley with the graph.

Sadly the DAL contract has 1 15% limit on DCI legs beyond 900 SM. the UCAL TA allows the company to operate 20% of the legs beyond 900SM.

That is moving the scope line backwards....

80ktsClamp 11-16-2012 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1294164)
To be specific, it is actually 900 statute miles but the point is Wellsley with the graph.

Sadly the DAL contract has 1 15% limit on DCI legs beyond 900 SM. the UCAL TA allows the company to operate 20% of the legs beyond 900SM.

That is moving the scope line backwards....

Isn't it supposed to be a pattern up? :eek:


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