Oh, I fell ya dog. You want to go back to contract 2000, add 3% per year for inflation, and arrive at new "fair" pay rates. Well, I want my Goldman Sachs shares to be worth $212 per share like in 2007, instead of the $118/sh they are worth now!! You can't change the market. It is what it is.

Sled

 

I never said I wanted contract 2000. I would like my hourly rate in this contract to have more purchasing power than what it did after the final 11% bankruptcy paycut. Guess what Sled? It doesn't.

 

Please tell me you'll stay as far away as you can from the Negotiating Committee on our next round of contract talks.

Why are we our own worst enemies? I suppose you were never worthy of contract 2000 rates, right? Newsflash my fellow co-worker, I am worthy of that and then some. Its not accaeptable for you to make a decent wage but Jeffrey can quadruple his pay, have the corporation pay all of his taxes and pay for his place to live in Chicago?

Where are those guys that helped draft Contact 2000 as I'm not seeing them anywhere around here.

 

Don't worry. I am line swine. I won't be anywhere near the neg. table. There are CEO positions available at other corporations. Why don't you go get yourself a seat? It's not about worth...it's about reality. We can demand 400% pay raises and flats in Chicago if we want. The company AND the NMB would find that quite amusing, i'm sure.

Sled

 

Honestly, I have heard NO rational Pilot "demanding" 400% increase in pay....BUT lagging our JCBA-TA pay at DOS behind the current industry leading hourly wages is everything short of pathetic. I hope that's not a fringed subscription to the "We'll get them next time" mentality. I COMPLETELY understand that the economic climate is fluid in our industry. However, the current industry leading CBA/PWA (a'la DAL) regarding "pay" was just finished/voted this current year, not to mentioned, constructed during the same climate/time as our current TA.

The subpar "lu(/i)mp-dole" that UCH is passing off to BOTH Pilot groups is egregious on all bounds of ridiculous. When looking at the YEAR's of continued/combine concessions regarding work rules-wages-SCOPE (lack there of)-retirement (lacking there of), what we are being "given" in this TA is by no measure close in the loan that the company took out on us. Do we "deserve" 100% retro?? SURE!!! Are we realistic in asking for it when the NMB sitting present.....NO!!! Being given the lump-sum that we are bestowed via this TA miles/years off the mark.

After reading the TA, speaking to my LEC Reps and other committee members, watching the Union produced videos/scare mailings.....It's a confident NO.

Regardless of each Pilot's personal choice......AT LEAST take time to inform yourselves. Be sure to at least VOTE one way or the other before Saturday at 10A.

 

It's ironic to me that when I say that I'm voting yes, I get accused of "just going after the money", but the only people that bring up actual PAY are the "no" voters.

If you can name me ONE professional costing analyst that has valued this contract behind DAL's in 2014 and beyond, I urge you to post it. I'll accept any from the company, the union, the NMB, and or government. They all have come to the same conclusion. In entirety, this is industry leading.

We ought to be kissing DAL management on the mouth, because without their move to go early and punish our management for their delay tactics, we wouldn't have anywhere CLOSE to this deal.

Our retro may not be where you or I would like it to be. But it took a HERCULEAN effort by our negotiators and legislative committee to force the NMB to get it to where it is. We look at it as substandard. The rest of the world sees $400 million dollars in a crappy economy, DAL having to pay ZERO retro (because they were smart enough to force UAL to match their next contract cycle costs), and AMR getting ZERO retro for what? 6 years of negotiations? Sure they got Ch 11 equity. So did I. So I'm still way ahead of anything AMR got.

Our overall contract is better than DAL's. Period. In fact, it's industry leading when evaluated as a whole. You may not agree. But your opinion and my opinion simply don't change the NMB and our political allies opinions. And in the end, that's all that matters when dealing with a snake like Jeff

 

May I ask a question? Just out of pure curiosity, would you post what fleet/seat you are in? You can PM me if you'd like and I won't post it publicly. You are LUAL correct?

 

Just curious, given the contract you expect from UCH, how long do you figure it would last? A couple of years like C2000, long term, or just long enough for you to get to retirement?

 

Hey Eddei I voted against c2000 and I have a ways to go before I have to retire. I would look for it to last 5 years. This one will last 10, is that what you are planning on, just curious.

 

I'd plan on another CH11 filing long before your contract gets to the five year mark. Good luck. I'm sure our new "professional" management can deliver for you.