The voting is done and the TA has passed. As everyone is aware, it included a provision that significantly discriminates against the United pilots that have been furloughed twice. We reached out to the MEC’s as well as ALPA national to attempt to have the language removed with no success. A website has been established to raise funds to take whatever steps are necessary to insure that furloughed United pilots are not treated as second class citizens. The United MEC has stated that they do not believe that this carve out will have an influence on the SLI, but Jay Pierce demanded it be inserted for a reason. If the CAL MEC is successful in stapling the bottom 1436 pilots on the United list, it will have an impact on every United pilot with the possible exception of the number pilot on the list. Every pilot has received a retroactive pay increase and most will be getting a lump sum distribution in the tens of thousands of dollars. If you haven’t contributed already, please take a moment to visit www.LOA25.com. Many of us hired 12 or 13 years ago have struggled throughout this period with some involuntarily furloughed for as long as nine years. We don’t expect this to be easy and we need your help, please donate whatever you think is appropriate and thank you.

 

Thumbs up!

 

I need some help with this one if you can.

If you are currently a furloughed UAL pilot that does not have a job, how is it possible to go anywhere other than the bottom of the list? Not a smartarse question.... I can understand if you got bypassed or if you are out on military leave and they recalled someone junior to you. But, the way I have seen these things go down historically is the union negotiates on behalf of those members who are currently employed and paying dues.

The flip side deserves a thought.... If ALPA promised the furloughed pilots something it would be doing so at the expense of those who are currently employed and who have not been furloughed.

I am just trying to understand this.

Regardless of you are a one time or two time furloughee, I don't understand why, or how ALPA could negotiate on your behalf without violating its duty of fair representation to those who are currently on the seniority list and who are currently employed.

I get it that you are furloughed. And, I also know it stinks bad. I just don't understand why you think you should be in a different position, seniority wise, than you currently are. Naturally, those out on MLLV, who would have been recalled would be in a different situation (I think). Probably those out on LTD, or similar circumstance for that matter.

 

Perhaps I should have mentioned to you that I am flying for CAL and paying dues. ALPA is legally obligated to represent us per the counsel. We appreciate your donation!

 

Coto, save your breath, we are the red-headed step-children of UAL. No one wants to claim us, help us, or feel sorry for us. The guys that have managed to keep their jobs and benefits have no idea what our lives and careers have been like. Why should we be thrown a bone just one time? It ain't gonna happen. Never has, never will.
I guess it is human nature for everyone to want the best for themselves, to hell with everyone else. If you are or were furloughed, you are nothing. It doesn't matter the dues you paid , what you've been through. Your timing was off, you chose poorly, etc.. 1999 hires at UAL have dealt with more than ANYONE on the property. I am in on this with you and will fight for anything we can get. I am tired of being stepped on.

 

Dude,

Mil LV guys don't get recalled. They tell the company when they are returning and are not affected by loa 25.

I'm on the cal side right now and loa 25 gives the company relief from contractual language, takes about $7500 out of my pay, and could possibly hurt every UAL pilot durning SLI arbitration.

 

Probably not. The active pilots Longevity and career expectations are not affected by LOA 25. That was ONLY for pay purposes for the furloughees. Any reasonable arbitrator can see that and the UAL side is clearly going to point that out.

If anything the UAL side can make the argument to the arbitrator that the best way to help the furloughees is to give them at least DOH seniority becaue LOA 25 would then restore their full pay.

So on the surface it looks to be ISL neutral and its very transparent why this was done.

But yes, this is going to be a difficult question fundamentally. These guys would have come back and would have a defined career expectation based on the status quo, many of which holding widebody capts at some point. So how they get handled will be interesting.

 

RIGHT

Put them ahead of active CAL pilots, who weren't furloughed, and who are able to hold CA right now, and did so pre merger.
Man, talk about a f'n windfall.

I suppose there is a first time for everything.

 

I don't see how you expect to make it right AFTER you vote yes on a substandard TA.

Good Luck with that.

 

Its not just about "what people can hold now". We have way more widebody aircraft on the UAL side and LONGEVITY and CAREER EXPECTATIONS are part of Merger Policy.

Just look at DAL and NWA. DAL had a higher percentage of widebody and the new list reflected that.

No one is going to be displaced, so everyone will maintain their pre-merger status and position.

Longevity is part of the policy, so you can could out a staple job.