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03-23-2013 | 10:14 AM
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From: UniCal 737 FO
Guys dress conservatively as mentioned above. Dark Blue suits tend to give the appearance of trimming your figure, if you have a very skinny build then a gray suit might work better for you as it has the appearance of adding a bit of bulk.
Also and this a very important point. Always frame your stories up in a positive light. When I talk to interview captains they all tell me stories of this guy:
Why are you thinking of leaving your current employer?
"Because my old company SUXS!" ......WRONG ANSWER!
I am looking to advance my career and would LOVE to fly wide body aircraft. (Something in this light is the right answer.)
I had an interview captain tell me this story:
Tell us about a time that you had to deal with a difficult crew member?
"Well there was this one phukker!!" (No kidding..
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Remember the most dangerous interviewer is the super nice guy. Don't get too comfortable with the interview captain they are NOT your buddy, Don't allow yourself to become to relaxed this is not a three day trip and you are not on the flight deck BSing with a crew member. Be friendly, be cordial, be yourself, but be professional, don't forget the setting you are being interviewed no matter how comfortable you are made to feel.
Make sure and emphasize your use of CRM principles and run through what stories you'd like to present. If you can't end the story with a positive outcome don't tell that story.
It always helped me to thumb through my log books to help me think of stories. You'd be surprised what you'll remember by just looking through it.
And once again guys and gals. Good luck!
Also and this a very important point. Always frame your stories up in a positive light. When I talk to interview captains they all tell me stories of this guy:
Why are you thinking of leaving your current employer?
"Because my old company SUXS!" ......WRONG ANSWER!
I am looking to advance my career and would LOVE to fly wide body aircraft. (Something in this light is the right answer.)
I had an interview captain tell me this story:
Tell us about a time that you had to deal with a difficult crew member?
"Well there was this one phukker!!" (No kidding..
)Remember the most dangerous interviewer is the super nice guy. Don't get too comfortable with the interview captain they are NOT your buddy, Don't allow yourself to become to relaxed this is not a three day trip and you are not on the flight deck BSing with a crew member. Be friendly, be cordial, be yourself, but be professional, don't forget the setting you are being interviewed no matter how comfortable you are made to feel.
Make sure and emphasize your use of CRM principles and run through what stories you'd like to present. If you can't end the story with a positive outcome don't tell that story.
It always helped me to thumb through my log books to help me think of stories. You'd be surprised what you'll remember by just looking through it.
And once again guys and gals. Good luck!
Thanks! Very helpful, I will remember these points in the interview
03-23-2013 | 10:24 AM
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03-23-2013 | 11:41 AM
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True,
Something to keep in mind guys. You've already got the job when you walk into the interview. They wouldn't have called you in if they didn't want to hire you. You're mission during the course of that interview is to hang on to that job.
I think the current crop of applicants is incredibly well qualified. So at least initially I think you'll see a high number of successful applicants. Just like back in 2007.
In 1997 when I got hired at UAL. There were 28 of us invited to interview that day. 7 made it to the sim ride the following day and 4 were hired. we were a mix of military, major airline and other. In the waiting room I spoke to a Fed Ex guy a SWA guy a UPS guy a TWA guy, myself an AWA guy there were Marines, Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard and smattering of "others" commuter, frieght and GA guys. They hired a Marine, Myself a TWA Guy and the UPS guy.
I'd be willing to bet that most of us did not have the T-PIC and total time that the average RJ guy interviewing today has. This is due to the stagnation during the last decade. But this pool of ultra experienced guys is going to dry up in a year or two. Then it will back to business as usual with a 10% average success rate. Just a SWAG but that's what I think.
Something to keep in mind guys. You've already got the job when you walk into the interview. They wouldn't have called you in if they didn't want to hire you. You're mission during the course of that interview is to hang on to that job.
In the 2007 era I believe it went up to over the 50% mark, but can't remember the exact average.
In 1997 when I got hired at UAL. There were 28 of us invited to interview that day. 7 made it to the sim ride the following day and 4 were hired. we were a mix of military, major airline and other. In the waiting room I spoke to a Fed Ex guy a SWA guy a UPS guy a TWA guy, myself an AWA guy there were Marines, Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard and smattering of "others" commuter, frieght and GA guys. They hired a Marine, Myself a TWA Guy and the UPS guy.
I'd be willing to bet that most of us did not have the T-PIC and total time that the average RJ guy interviewing today has. This is due to the stagnation during the last decade. But this pool of ultra experienced guys is going to dry up in a year or two. Then it will back to business as usual with a 10% average success rate. Just a SWAG but that's what I think.
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03-23-2013 | 12:16 PM
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Can't tell you how many FO's I flew with that would make the comment of "if I could go sideways right into a job at (insert legacy) without ever having to upgrade that would great!!!!!!"
True, it would be great!!!!! But again, barring the usual outside factors that don't involve flight time, it'll be YEARS before even "high time" regional FO's get a flat out cold call from an airline's HR department. Even BEFORE 9/11 it just simply didn't happen. Although NS did mention that the infamous UAL flight scantron flight time form may include FO jet time in the future. It never happened though.
03-23-2013 | 05:08 PM
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You are partially incorrect. I have a few friends interviewing at UAL without any turbine PIC time and though 'experienced' they certainly don't have 5,000+ hours of RJ time. And before you speculate, no, they're not women or minorities. They're sharp, well-networked, and good sticks. I hope we hire them. Knowing our recruitment team fairly well, I'm confident they will choose wisely for UAL going forward and cast a wide net.
03-23-2013 | 05:42 PM
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You are partially incorrect. I have a few friends interviewing at UAL without any turbine PIC time and though 'experienced' they certainly don't have 5,000+ hours of RJ time. And before you speculate, no, they're not women or minorities. They're sharp, well-networked, and good sticks. I hope we hire them. Knowing our recruitment team fairly well, I'm confident they will choose wisely for UAL going forward and cast a wide net.
Kind of going on my previous comment, agree. The first year or two will be (on average and (excluding the usual other factors) the ultra-experienced. Followed by the very experienced, then simply just experienced.
True, it would be great!!!!! But again, barring the usual outside factors that don't involve flight time, it'll be YEARS before even "high time" regional FO's get a flat out cold call from an airline's HR department. Even BEFORE 9/11 it just simply didn't happen. Although NS did mention that the infamous UAL flight scantron flight time form may include FO jet time in the future. It never happened though.
True, it would be great!!!!! But again, barring the usual outside factors that don't involve flight time, it'll be YEARS before even "high time" regional FO's get a flat out cold call from an airline's HR department. Even BEFORE 9/11 it just simply didn't happen. Although NS did mention that the infamous UAL flight scantron flight time form may include FO jet time in the future. It never happened though.
03-23-2013 | 05:56 PM
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I fully comprehended your post. I just want everyone to apply. If you note from those that posted their stats after receiving an email and a phone call, there is very little (if any) consistency. I'm amazed at how many people won't toss their hat in the ring because they assume they won't be selected. You never know... a human still looks at the apps, not everything is left to the computer. Just a thought.
03-23-2013 | 06:08 PM
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Not to be rude, but the "other factors" was there for a reason. To mean that those that meet the mins but are not competitive WITHOUT some kind of connection more than likely won't get a call anytime soon.
Thanks, unlike the pre 9/11 method of hiring where it ALL went off the scantron 
(mass sarcasm)
I just want everyone to apply. If you note from those that posted their stats after receiving an email and a phone call, there is very little (if any) consistency. I'm amazed at how many people won't toss their hat in the ring because they assume they won't be selected. You never know... a human still looks at the apps, not everything is left to the computer. Just a thought.
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03-23-2013 | 07:49 PM
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You are partially incorrect. I have a few friends interviewing at UAL without any turbine PIC time and though 'experienced' they certainly don't have 5,000+ hours of RJ time. And before you speculate, no, they're not women or minorities. They're sharp, well-networked, and good sticks. I hope we hire them. Knowing our recruitment team fairly well, I'm confident they will choose wisely for UAL going forward and cast a wide net.
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