Originally Posted by LAX Pilot (Post 1368522)

You are making false assumptions, which is why your logic doesn't work. UAL guys aren't going to be Airbus FOs for 30 years then magically become widebody captains for the last 5 years.

Also, CAL pilots aren't all going to be Captains for 30 years.

I have 3 friends hired in the 90s. Two of them tell me that they will NEVER hold widebody Captain. They say they just don't have enough airplanes for all CAL pilots to hold them.

They've all been there 15 years and they are all FOs still.

If the bottom guy on the CAL seniority list got CAL 777 Capt, that doesn't mean all the pilots can all be 777 Capts. WHO WOULD FLY THE OTHER SEATS AND PLANES?

Being a FO for 15 years at CAL and never holding Captain on a Widebody is clearly a career expectation, because 2/3 of the guys I personally know there won't ever hold it.

And most pilots at UAL spend at least 10 years as a widebody Captain, since we have 3 or 4 times as many airplanes. Most of our 95 hires HAVE BEEN CAPTAINS FOR AS MANY AS 10 YEARS.

So I don't care that some 2005 hire just got a Captain bid.

Big deal. You have 15 year FO's just like we do.

Good luck with your career.

Originally Posted by routemap (Post 1368812)

What is the longest active time, of the most senior involuntary pilot?

Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 1368819)

The most senior involuntarily furloughed pilot at LUAL was hired in August '99 and has eight years of active service @ LUAL.

He/she was hired in '99, furloughed in '03, recalled in '05 and furloughed again in '09. Both LUAL and ALPA gave most of the '99 hires their 10-year wings prior to being shown the door in '09.

Originally Posted by LAX Pilot (Post 1368526)

Who cares who holds what seats. You bring X widebody jobs and Y narrowbody jobs.

United bring Y widebody jobs and X narrowbody jobs.

The distribution is not important.

Just the total number of jobs.

If the bottom guy at CAL held 777 CAP it wouldn't matter. Its not like the entire list would be made as senior as the junior UAL 777 Capt.

Originally Posted by thor2j (Post 1369071)

Bottom line is that 05 hire is 60% in company. How far back do u need to go at UAL to get 60%??
The pay banding , agreed on both sides, makes the 767-300 not a wide body. Now you only have 747, 764, 777, and 787 for "wide body" consideration. UAL percentage is still obviously larger, but not that much.

Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 1368819)

The most senior involuntarily furloughed pilot at LUAL was hired in August '99 and has eight years of active service @ LUAL.

He/she was hired in '99, furloughed in '03, recalled in '05 and furloughed again in '09. Both LUAL and ALPA gave most of the '99 hires their 10-year wings prior to being shown the door in '09.

Originally Posted by EWR73FO (Post 1369300)

The CAL pilot hired in August 99 has almost 11 years of active service, furloughed in October 01 and recalled around January 05.

Originally Posted by LCAL dude (Post 1369322)

They also were probably furloughed to ExpressJet and spent those 3 years, 4 months generating income for LCAL. But that time does not count toward longevity, or they'd have over 13 years of longevity.

OTOH, a LUAL pilot furlough has accrued longevity for all time furloughed, no matter where they were working.

Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1369323)

And that is entirely the CAL pilot group's fault. Bravo for UAL getting this for the their pilots. It shouldn't, but I have to wonder if it can impact the SLI in any way.