Well.. can't speak of others cockpit management. All I'm saying is how I operate.

I don't get into discussions with them as I don't waste my time. I can occupy the few hours I'm in the cockpit alone with them in other ways. Catching up on all the Operational Changes we've had, learning the new Contract, keeping track of my pay, etc...

Then again, that's just me~

Your posting of a sentiment that I clearly never stated is offensive and inappropriate.

Unfortunately, you left out a very important part of my question. To wit, "IF." I reposted the entire quote above. I asked a specific question seeking specific information. Methinks that your righteous indignation with me is misguided.

IF you are stating that the only retribution that you seek against the scabs is denying them your sterling company on layovers, then you are within your rights.

I believe that we have a minor agreement on one small point. If anyone is creating a hostile work environment in the cockpit, then it is out of line, because it impacts safety.

You don't need me to tell you that there is nothing wrong with that. I believe I mentioned in an earlier post that is how I deal with unpleasant individuals.

A minor disagreement on one small point? You forgive and associate with scabs. I cannot fathom the mindset that brings one to the conclusion that scabbing is ok.

I congratulate you on your steadfast belief that their transgressions of thirty years ago should be forgiven. I wonder if you might change your mind if you found yourself walking a picket line, watching scabs flying your aircraft, wondering if you will have a job to return to. Then you go home only to face your family questioning if you will be able to provide for them. I'm sure the scab is concerned for your predicament.

For the sake is of discussion, how long would it take you to forgive your scab friends if they scabbed again and you honored the picket line? Are we talking months, years, or decades?

Yes, the atmosphere in the cockpit must remain professional. For that, we agree

ST, I wasn't there at the time, but a review of the history of our strikes might explain the difference in attitudes at LCAL vs. LUAL. LUAL had a one month strike that the union won. LCAL had a two year strike that Lorenzo won. The strikers came back outnumbered, without a union, and many of the strikers had less than positive views of ALPA. After the better part of a decade, an independent union (IACP) was brought back on the property in the early 90s. That wouldn't have been possible if the strikers hadn't worked with the scabs, and that's a large part of why the attitudes at the carriers are so different. Subsequently, ALPA had no choice but to accept the IACP membership in its entirety if it wanted CAL pilots back in the fold.

Thanks for the response X. Since our first day on the property at United, it has been ingrained upon us what a scab actually is. With a myriad of slick ties and scabs wearing alpa pins it will be interesting.

I sure agree specialtracking, unfortunatley I have not seen the treatment expected here at in a long time. In fact at international layovers have watched all going out to dinner and such. I think the treatment here has turned into a myth. jmo

Syd, you might be onto something. We should welcome them with open arms as fellow aviators, co workers, and might I add, union brothers. I'm sure they have untapped talents and wisdom that can benefit us all in the future yet have remained silent due to the perceived isolation. The only way we can start the process of true integration is to interact with all groups. As you well know Syd, the only true way to mend a distant soul is to "kill 'em with kindness."