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jsled 03-23-2013 05:09 AM

Poppy...c'mon man. The corporate world is what it is. There is no union. Your argument is silly. If you cross a picket line of a legal strike, by definition you're a scab. If not, then not.

Sled

Airhoss 03-23-2013 08:12 AM

This should be pretty obvious and in no need of explanation.^^^^^^^^^^^

Poppy 03-23-2013 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1377950)
Poppy...c'mon man. The corporate world is what it is. There is no union. Your argument is silly. If you cross a picket line of a legal strike, by definition you're a scab. If not, then not.

Sled

You are absolutely right. However, I ask what a corporate guy should think/say/do when regularly furloughed/retired airline guys try to take his job. Why would that guy feel any allegiance to the union? What you suggest may be the law, but it is kind of like allowing someone to shoot at you, but you can't shoot back.

You should also make note of the fact that I voted with my feet and did what I thought was right; honor the picket line. I'm simply suggesting that I understand the motivation of many of those who crossed.

More importantly, on the CAL side, that war was won/lost 30 years ago. Most of the guys on this board did not have a dog in the race. As a matter of fact, I doubt that there are 100 strikers left on the CAL seniority list. ALPA, your/our union, made peace with the scabs at CAL. If you still want to harass the scabs, then I suppose it is your right.

BTW, I understand your issues, I'm just suggesting that there are issues on the other side. On the other hand, and this may be the most important issue of all, I doubt that all the rancor makes for the safest of cockpits. If it is your career and/or life ending prematurely, then it makes no difference whether the fight was righteos or not.

Ottopilot 03-23-2013 11:38 AM

Not 100 scabs? You are correct, it's 400-500!

intrepidcv11 03-23-2013 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Ottopilot (Post 1378176)
Not 100 scabs? You are correct, it's 400-500!

I believe he's referring to full time strikers aka crawl backs.

SpecialTracking 03-23-2013 06:56 PM

The fact that a strike occurred 30 years ago or 30 days ago has no bearing on how scabs should be regarded. Anyone who considers scabbing needs to be reminded that they will bear that scar for life. The deterrent is lessened if one thinks they will be forgiven after a certain time period. They won't.

Poppy 03-24-2013 02:24 AM


Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1378358)
The fact that a strike occurred 30 years ago or 30 days ago has no bearing on how scabs should be regarded. Anyone who considers scabbing needs to be reminded that they will bear that scar for life. The deterrent is lessened if one thinks they will be forgiven after a certain time period. They won't.

So let me be very specific!

If you are unwilling to forgive a scab, and feel like it is your right/duty/obligation to make his life miserable in the cockpit, then how do you make the flight safely?

horrido27 03-24-2013 02:29 AM

Simple..
You just do your job. Nothing more. No need for "conversation", no need to go out to dinner, no need to have a beer with the Scab.

No one ever said we had to be best buds with the guy we're sitting next to, we just have to follow SOP and move the aircraft Safely and Professionally.

Motch

Poppy 03-24-2013 02:37 AM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 1378444)
Simple..
You just do your job. Nothing more. No need for "conversation", no need to go out to dinner, no need to have a beer with the Scab.

No one ever said we had to be best buds with the guy we're sitting next to, we just have to follow SOP and move the aircraft Safely and Professionally.

Motch

I occasionally fly with people that I don't like, and certainly I don't go to supper with them, go for beer, and conversation in the cockpit is limited. Fair enough. But, I have heard that it gets way more aggressive than that in some cockpits, and I would suggest that is unsafe.

SpecialTracking 03-24-2013 02:39 AM

The cockpit is and should always be professional with safety being the top priority. What I think of someone would not change how I operate, or interact with the crewmember in the operation of the airplane.


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