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xjtguy 03-11-2013 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by Wrsofked (Post 1369624)
I stand corrected on TSA, thought they were PFT. Thanks for the other additions.

I believe that TSA was kind of like GLA, or MESA so to speak.

And we have to keep in mind, it's ALL relative to the times of the mid 90's when the "regionals" tubo-uber-super sucked back then.

But you could save your $5-6K, apply to GLA, TSA, or MESA. But you would also be working under the crappiest conditions, the crappiest management, the lowest pay, etc.

What many don't realize is that PFT was almost a norm back then on the civilian track. Also, in the early 90's there were mil pilots separating with virtually NO legacies hiring. And the ones that were looking to stay current and couldn't find a local 91/135/corp gig did it as well.

Complete black mark on the industry.

uaav8r 03-11-2013 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by Wrsofked (Post 1369626)
Haven't heard that one at all. Relative +\- a few percent will be just fine.

Uh.....NO!...But how about LONGEVITY.. +/- a couple or so..:D

Wrsofked 03-11-2013 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by uaav8r (Post 1369650)
Uh.....NO!...But how about LONGEVITY.. +/- a couple or so..:D

LOL! In all honesty, I totally get and respect the longevity argument, as long as it is tied to active service. Through no fault of their own, the furloughed LUAL pilots have had devastating setbacks to their careers. That being said, it's not the fault of CAL pilots that that happened. I think that will all play out in the intergration.

One SLI factor that never gets mentioned is Common Sense! While not being an official merger method, it will come into play when these committees put a list together. What makes absolutely no sense is a guy 99 percent in his company thinking he is going to be 60 percent in the new company...ain't gonna happen IMHO.

Anyway I'm so over these arguments..it really is wasted band width. The award will come in August. Then we can really start the whining.

jonnyjetprop 03-11-2013 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by uaav8r (Post 1369536)
Pay for training?...Please tell me Continental Express wasn't one of those places in the 90's where "privileged" kids paid Flight Safety $10,000 dollars to get a job! ;)

They started in 1994. I missed the last non pay for training class and was offered a slot in the first PFT class.

Ottopilot 03-11-2013 01:23 PM

How many of you anti-PFT guys bought a 737 type to apply to SWA? ;)

Supply and demand drives the industry at all levels; regional to major.
I'm not up on the whole PFT thing, but I heard it didn't buy you a job. If you failed, you were gone.

SpecialTracking 03-11-2013 03:22 PM

Guys, who paid for mary jane rotten crotch vs those who dated her really doesn't matter. The end result is the same. Right?

Regarding those who flew at Calex and moved over to Cal, it appears their mainline line seniority is the date they starting flying at Cal, and seniority for everything else is Calex. Is that it in a nutshell?

oldmako 03-11-2013 03:34 PM

WHOA! It wasn't that bad! Mary Jane I mean. :D

XHooker 03-11-2013 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1369831)
Regarding those who flew at Calex and moved over to Cal, it appears their mainline line seniority is the date they starting flying at Cal, and seniority for everything else is Calex. Is that it in a nutshell?

Almost. I believe there were some (maybe they flew at Rocky Mountain/Bar Harbor or the other carriers who came together to create CoEx) who kept a DOH that predated showing up at CAL. Also, there were CoEx pilots who were hired and given a class date at CAL who were forced to stay at CoEx until sufficient replacements were trained. Those pilots DOH is their theoretical class date at CAL, though they didn't get trained until later.

Blockoutblockin 03-11-2013 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by XHooker (Post 1369878)
Also, there were CoEx pilots who were hired and given a class date at CAL who were forced to stay at CoEx until sufficient replacements were trained. Those pilots DOH is their theoretical class date at CAL, though they didn't get trained until later.

That's a very PC way to explain it, lol.

SpecialTracking 03-11-2013 04:50 PM

X,

The latter group you mentioned. How large was that group and what was the general time span between class date offered and actually starting class?


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