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APC225 04-02-2013 08:03 AM

United Pilot Refuses to Fly until His Crew Meal is Loaded - Live and Let's Fly

United Pilot Refuses to Fly until His Crew Meal is Loaded
By Matthew Klint

Was it right for a United pilot to delay a three-hour domestic flight for more than 45 minutes because he did not get the crew meal he was expecting?

Flyertalker CaliC shares the following story:


So last week on 7/20/11, in the middle of my travels to start my vacation, I'm in seat 1A on UA 472 from DEN to TPA. Everyone is on board, we're about ready to go.

The catering people hand the FA a tray that apparently is the pilot's requested meal. Except the only thing on it is a green salad topped by grilled chicken. She shows it to the pilot who indicates to her that everything else is missing. The FA walks onto the jetway to talk to the catering dude.

Catering dude: "What's wrong with it?"
FA: "Well there's no bread, no dessert..."

(some talk I couldn't hear)

Then they come back onto the plane where Catering dude says "well what did he order?"

FA leans into cockpit and says to pilot, "What do you want?"

Catering dude gets attitude and says, "NO, what was he SUPPOSED to get?"

The gauntlett has now been thrown down. Pilot stands up and exits the plane and stands on the jetway. There is some discussion of the printout for catering. Apparently the grilled chicken salad printed at the bottom of one page, and no one noticed the rest of the meal was on the next page.

I start getting text updates on my phone in 15 minute increments that we are delayed for "aircraft servicing".

Copilot announces a slight delay for "a catering issue".

Pilot continues to stand on jetway with arms crossed. Occasionally he speaks to someone on the phone.

About 30 minutes in, the FA makes eye contact with me and she says quietly, "we should be on our way soon."

I respond, "I'll go back to the concourse and buy his dinner, what does he want?"

FA gets even closer to me and says, "The copilot already offered, it's a ****ing match now."

The guy across the aisle leans in and says, "I'll chip in to buy, seriously."

Some people in suits come and talk to various people standing around, while the pilot ignores everyone.

Finally, a vehicle pulls up and two suits come up the stairs to the jetway, followed by a woman in a chef's hat and coat, carrying a full tray. Pilot sees them coming and gets back on the plane. Chef stops just inside plane with the tray, hands it to FA, who takes it to the pilot in the cockpit who apparently okay's it.

So last week on 7/20/11, in the middle of my travels to start my vacation, I'm in seat 1A on UA 472 from DEN to TPA. Everyone is on board, we're about ready to go.

The catering people hand the FA a tray that apparently is the pilot's requested meal. Except the only thing on it is a green salad topped by grilled chicken. She shows it to the pilot who indicates to her that everything else is missing. The FA walks onto the jetway to talk to the catering dude.

Catering dude: "What's wrong with it?"
FA: "Well there's no bread, no dessert..."

(some talk I couldn't hear)

Then they come back onto the plane where Catering dude says "well what did he order?"

FA leans into cockpit and says to pilot, "What do you want?"

Catering dude gets attitude and says, "NO, what was he SUPPOSED to get?"

The gauntlett has now been thrown down. Pilot stands up and exits the plane and stands on the jetway. There is some discussion of the printout for catering. Apparently the grilled chicken salad printed at the bottom of one page, and no one noticed the rest of the meal was on the next page.

I start getting text updates on my phone in 15 minute increments that we are delayed for "aircraft servicing".

Copilot announces a slight delay for "a catering issue".

Pilot continues to stand on jetway with arms crossed. Occasionally he speaks to someone on the phone.

About 30 minutes in, the FA makes eye contact with me and she says quietly, "we should be on our way soon."

I respond, "I'll go back to the concourse and buy his dinner, what does he want?"

FA gets even closer to me and says, "The copilot already offered, it's a ****ing match now."

The guy across the aisle leans in and says, "I'll chip in to buy, seriously."

Some people in suits come and talk to various people standing around, while the pilot ignores everyone.

Finally, a vehicle pulls up and two suits come up the stairs to the jetway, followed by a woman in a chef's hat and coat, carrying a full tray. Pilot sees them coming and gets back on the plane. Chef stops just inside plane with the tray, hands it to FA, who takes it to the pilot in the cockpit who apparently okay's it.

45 minutes have elapsed since we were ready to close the doors.
Assuming the story unfolded as it was shared, I certainly hold in contempt the rude caterer, who likely could have diffused the issue by apologizing to the Captain rather than acting snippy. But ultimately, I am very dissapointed in the Captain.

No doubt, his contract guarantees him a meal and with a long day of flying ahead, a meal is essential. Furthermore, if he was doing a quick turn at TPA, there might not have been time to load a meal for him. But how inconsiderate was it to hold up an aircraft full of people for 45 minutes because he did not get bread and a dessert with his salad? Whether it was a pride issue or simply a genuine matter of principle, it reflects poorly on the Captain and unfortunately poorly on United when he throws a temper tantrum and would not even let his First Officer buy him lunch in the concourse.

And we're talking about airline food! The Denver to Tampa flights offers fresh salads and sandwiches as well as snack boxes for sale in the back. Surely the Captain could have found something to augment his chicken salad...

What would have happened had he discovered the catering snafu in the air?

Maybe next time I don't get my first meal choice I'll ask for compensation...
...and write a letter to the company asking why you think adequate nutrition for the pilot is less important than rest or water?

LAX Pilot 04-02-2013 08:07 AM

This was written almost 3 years ago. What's the point? I guess guys are surprised when a United Pilot puts his foot down. I'll bet this solved the issue of catering issues in the future.

Good on this pilot. I'd have done the same. I'm not going to fly without proper nourishment.

syd111 04-02-2013 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by LAX Pilot (Post 1383751)
Well it wasn't in the old contract that you flew under that you were so proud of that you voted NO so you could keep it.

I have not voted for a contract in a long time I just love hearing guys like you talk the big talk when you took this contract like scared school girls, don't worry the company knows there are plenty of guys like you that will vote in anything, hey they targeted you and you went right for it with all the chicken **** excuses, enjoy. Most of it really doesn't matter anymore.

APC225 04-02-2013 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by LAX Pilot (Post 1383753)
Good on this pilot.

Yes. It's an easy fix for the company--follow the contract they negotiated and signed.

LAX Pilot 04-02-2013 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by syd111 (Post 1383754)
I have not voted for a contract in a long time I just love hearing guys like you talk the big talk when you took this contract like scared school girls, don't worry the company knows there are plenty of guys like you that will vote in anything, hey they targeted you and you went right for it with all the chicken **** excuses, enjoy. Most of it really doesn't matter anymore.

Sounds like you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.....

Ottopilot 04-02-2013 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by LAX Pilot (Post 1383759)
Sounds like you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.....

Voting down a poor contract to get a better one is being part of the problem? I guess I've been part of the problem on the last three contracts. I voted "no" on all of them. :rolleyes:

syd111 04-02-2013 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by LAX Pilot (Post 1383759)
Sounds like you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.....

Funny I was thinking the same thing about you with everyone of your posts.

liquid 04-02-2013 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by syd111 (Post 1383783)
Funny I was thinking the same thing about you with everyone of your posts.

I am really starting to like you Syd, thanks for saying what I've been thinking for a long time.

liquid

Dave Fitzgerald 04-02-2013 10:45 AM

FYI, the contract:

If a meal is, "Spoiled, Incomplete, or Missing," you are entitled to buy any food you desire, and expense it, including a drink if off duty. Delay the flight, do whatever you need to be safe. The only caveat is that the expense be reasonable. YOU determine what is reasonable.

That also means if you are on an all-night flight and need to sleep first at the end of duty, you are entitled to the expensed meal up to 24 hours after the end of duty. If also that means you stop and buy food on your way home at the end of the ID, so be it. Go ahead and expense it where ever you get the food. (...and not be paid for it for up to 2 months...)

Enforce your contract, insist on it.

Poppy 04-02-2013 11:15 AM

I get the whole idea of enforcing the contract; no problem there.

HOWEVER, if catering makes a mistake, and you hold up 200 passengers who miss connects, cruises, weddings, funerals, one last visit with a dying family member, whatever, then you are promulgating the notion that we are arrogant, egotistical, self-centered p....s----oh, what a minute, what am I saying, many of us are.

I've been on a couple of flight in my life when the Captain substantially delayed the trip, and IMHO, it was just to show the company how much muscle he had. My only hope, my fervent hope, is that karma is a real b...h, and he, some day, misses something that is really important to him. I truly hope!!!!


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