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Originally Posted by Gupboy
(Post 1399626)
The immaturity by some on this forum is unbelievable. This thread was started to remind everybody to calm down and let the SLI process run its course. It has deteriorated in to sheer idiocy. I'm sorry I started the thread. So much for civil professional discourse.
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Originally Posted by Sunvox
(Post 1399669)
Immaturity by some?
Which APC person posted racist remarks to make their case? Which APC member lied to make their case? Which APC member started talking about killing passengers? UAL pilots are on here trying to argue facts based on 10-k's and actual ALPA policy and they are running into pilots bent on slandering the profession and arguing that UAL was a dinosaur. Some UAL pilots may succumb to emotion now and again but so far I have yet to see a UAL pilot debase themselves with racisism, lying, or vulgar references to passenger deaths. I would pay anything to see their faces when they actually see the SLI when it is released by the arbitrators. I am going to disengage SLI threads in general until the List is released. It seems like for every sane CAL poster that disagrees but is rational there are 10 more following up with what we have seen here. |
Originally Posted by Horhay
(Post 1399591)
Oops, sorry, I stand corrected. It wasn't a "cash" deal, you're right...it was a stock transaction.
United acquired CAL by issuing 1.05 U shares for each CAL share...it was more simply an acquisition and NOT a cash purchase per se...therefore; United acquired Continental in this manner... We good? Cheers, Horhay Point to where in ALPA merger policy or Alleghany-Mohawk it states that matters. United Airlines did not acquire CAL, UAL Corp did. UAL Corp, which United Airlinesa wholly own subsidiary of, acquired CAL. So UAL corp is just merging its subsidiaries. Here is from page one of the Annual report for 2009... UAL Corporation (together with its consolidated subsidiaries, “UAL”), a holding company whose principal subsidiary is United Air Lines, Inc. (together with its primary subsidiaries, “United”), was incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware on December 30, 1968. We sometimes use the words “we,” “our,” “us,” and the “Company” in this Form 10-K for disclosures that relate to both UAL and United. Our world headquarters is located at 77 W. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60601. The mailing address is P.O. Box 66919, Chicago, Illinois 60666 (telephone number (312) 997-8000). Form 10-K |
Originally Posted by Sunvox
(Post 1399669)
Immaturity by some?
Which APC person posted racist remarks to make their case? Which APC member lied to make their case? Which APC member started talking about killing passengers? Neither side is immune to its 2 percenters. People need to grow up and stop acting like little boys. |
Originally Posted by Horhay
(Post 1399540)
DMC - what is your background and experience? Are you CAL or UAL? For background, I've got 4 years with U on the Guppy, 3 in the Bus, and 15 months with CAL on the turbo-Guppy(NG). From your post, you imply (per the "jumpseated on both...") that you've not actively flown at either airline, is that the case? While I appreciate your jumpseating observations, it's a far different experience than spending 3-4 days working with a pilot directly. If you are/were a CAL or UAL crew, I apologize for the omission.
Agreed-both companies have their toads, some of whom are deleriously poor pilots, many of whom are incapable (or prevented by management) of EVER upgrading; I can assure you that the level of competence, standardization, and professionalism is FAR higher at U than C. Granted, it's only a small snap-shot of one equipment type at one base...I do though believe this holds true in the bigger scheme as well. The "merger of equals" tripe was simply a weak attempt by management to set the employee's expectations to avoid divisiveness commonly found in integrating disparate working groups. Reference Jeff's often-used, and completely meaningless use of the "co-worker" term. MBA-101 attempt to bring oneself to the "level" of the laboror (read labor groups) so as to engender team cohesion and inspire desired behavior for the sake of bolstering productivity metrics. UAL purchased CAL with cash to avert a merger approval vote and avoid the failed result of the US air debacle in 2000. Cheers, Horhay I am a 2005 CAL hire, about to complete the 737 upgrade. I was hoping to be a 737 captain by the time I was 30 but I guess 33 will work. |
Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
(Post 1399577)
Indeed.
Particularly considering the last pilot related hull loss/fatality at UAL was in 1978(?) with the fuel incident in the DC-8. I'm thinking people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...h_1210284c.jpg http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2044/1...1bb_z.jpg?zz=1 You are an idiot! Nobody died on those CAL flights.. How about Sioux City???? Forgot that one?? Or the blow out cabin on the 747 near Hawaii??? |
Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
(Post 1399577)
Indeed.
Particularly considering the last pilot related hull loss/fatality at UAL was in 1978(?) with the fuel incident in the DC-8. I'm thinking people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...h_1210284c.jpg http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2044/1...1bb_z.jpg?zz=1 Not to mention the Colorado Springs accident that was pilot induced. An axe in the captain's head did not help the matter... |
Originally Posted by DMC12
(Post 1399824)
Not to mention the Colorado Springs accident that was pilot induced.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of the United Airlines flight 585 accident was a loss of control of the airplane resulting from the movement of the rudder surface to its blowdown limit. The rudder surface most likely deflected in a direction opposite to that commanded by the pilots as a result of a jam of the main rudder power control unit servo valve secondary slide to the servo valve housing offset from its neutral position and overtravel of the primary slide. http://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/summary/AAR0101.html
Originally Posted by DMC12
(Post 1399821)
How about Sioux City???? Forgot that one?? Or the blow out cabin on the 747 near Hawaii???
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Hey DMC,
I'll gladly join the UAL guys when they throw you a blanket party in the employee parking lot. |
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