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Originally Posted by Gupboy (Post 1398387)

We don't have a final list....no ones been impacted. How about waiting for your side to put on their case, and then let the arbitrators decide what's fair? Isn't that the way this thing works??

You would think, but we made that point at the beginning of the 50+ page thread. Since then we have watched the 5% pompous arse rule on both sides degenerate this place with primal ludicrus mud slinging that would make Tony Soprano blush.

One thing for sure, if the Cal and UAL positions were reversed you would see the same thing from the UAL merger committee. Hey UAl guys too bad you don't like the proposal... Thats all it is..... Do you honestly think the CAl guys would like yours'? Fair? I'm letting the arbitrators decide... What ever the outcome you can be assured the UAL side will, and I mean will file a law suit.....I don't think they will ever be happy....

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Originally Posted by Maxepr1 (Post 1398474)

As I have said before, it will be interesting to see what kind of monkey wrench your MEC will throw into this process to delay, delay, delay....like with pay banding and profit sharing. He11, without the "Heppner Plan", I believe we would still be negotiating a contract.
You'll find out what the UAL SLI proposal is on the 15th of April. I believe you will be surprised at how middle of the road it is. Meaning not WAAAY out in left field like yours. At least the proposal will not staple 37% of the CAL list. :rolleyes:

Sled

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Originally Posted by Maxepr1 (Post 1398474)

What ever the outcome you can be assured the UAL side will, and I mean will file a law suit.....I don't think they will ever be happy....

Notwithstanding several claims by CAL pilots on this very forum to file a suit if they feel the outcome is adverse, right???

IMHO this entire process, including a panel of three arbitrators, is designed at the core to be "suit proof" and whatever the arbitrators hand down will be the final word regardless of the keyboard warriors.

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Originally Posted by dwaingrow (Post 1398388)

So let's see, you are the L-CAL captain asking the furloughed L-UAL F/O what he or she thinks of the L-CAL seniority proposal? What the &%$^ do you think they will say? They're stuck flying with you for the duration of the trip, it's either go off on you or say what they said to get through the flight with a clearly clueless captain.

Dan

(well maybe your the lead Flight Attendant, I didn't think of that possibility)

Nailed it.....

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Originally Posted by Pilotbiffster (Post 1398371)

No, if the CAL ISL were to be implemented, my personal life would suffer. Absent a merger, I retire in the top 10 % of the seniority list. If the CAL SLI were to be implemented, I retire around 45%. My story is not unique .. there's about 3000 of us over here that are similarly impacted by the proposed CAL SLI. Do you have ANY idea of the irreparable harm that would do to MY career and retirement while greatly ENHANCING the careers of the junior CAL pilots?

Once again, the fact that CAL guys can somehow rationalize this is beyond me. I certainly don't wish the same level of career destruction on them. Looking at the proposed CAL SLI, the one word that comes to mind is, "sociopath". Take everything I can at the expense of others, get an incredible windfall at the expense of others. Kinda like the people that cross a picket line, in my mind .. step on whoever to get what they have.

Not looking for sympathy, but understand why soooo many United pilots feel betrayed by their supposed CAL "brethren" that want to destroy 16 years of our sweat equity.

Take a deep breath, let's see what the L-UAL Merger Committee proposes...
Both sides have a "club of 12 angry men" that represent 75% of what is posted on this forum. They do not represent anyone but themselves...

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Originally Posted by Pilotbiffster (Post 1398435)

Fair enough .. you seem somewhat reasonable .. I'll make you a deal and a promise .. If my MEC SLI attempts to SO@@#ze you the way the CAL proposal strives to do to me and my career, I'll admit it and say its way overreaching.

In my opinion, based on my expectations for what the outcome will be, I bet I feel every bit as torqued when I see the UAL proposal. BUT, I will also realize that neither side awards the list. Three neutral arbitrators will do that. I think your just hardening your artery walls by looking at it any other way.

A safe and blessed weekend to everyone.

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Originally Posted by Gupboy (Post 1398597)

...A safe and blessed weekend to everyone.

Nice sentiment and many thanks! But at the James Ranch, we're planning on getting likkered up and doing stupid stuff with Mohair Mommas, fireworks and power tools. Its a big country, to each their own!

:D

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Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 1398608)

Yo James..

Is an invite required or can I crash as long as I bring a couple 45's of Mad Dog?

Hoss,

Be careful what you wish for. After a night out with the Godfather, you might need some charcoal tablets the next morning. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.