Well, then prepared to be surprised. It is not Mr. Freund's style to shoot for the moon like Mr. Katz. A stategy that our side understands and will follow. It worked well in Dal/Nwa and Usa/Awa, where Mr. Katz' side lost their a$$es. Just sit back and watch. :cool:

Sled

Ahh young grasshopper this is true, but Mr. Freund already laid out this very same argument in detail both in his opening presentation and in the opening brief. Does the fact that the mega-carrier theory is now history and the stand alone carrier business plan failed worry you.

If I were a CAL pilot it would definitely worry me. Especially if you're a Captain and were hired say 2005 timeline. You COULD be a bottom reserve pilot for a VERY long time, but then maybe not. Maybe the panel will agree that the age of your fleet, your higher W2s, and your decade of out performing legacy carriers that were busy shedding debt and pensions to prepare for the future better will win the day. Maybe. Who knows right?

That's as ridiculous as the pilot who held up the iphone and said he had more technology in his palm than the entire 747, 757, and 767 fleet.

It is short term being a line holder vs reserve. Also wanting to see how things fall out. His career if far better at United long term than at CAL.

You think these aren't being read by someone? Well the express jet forums were being read. They were specifically mentioned day 4.

I think the arguments are natural ones, and we will likely see them all mentioned during the UAL presentation.

Age has everything to do with it. That why the CAL side did exactly ZERO analysis of doing an actuarial style analysis of career expectations. They only wanted to totally get the best starting point today and used every outlier they could find to make their points.

How can you possibly know how your career progression is going to come out unless you say "This is what our proposed list looks like in 10 years...."

Conjecture ... can you tell us how you arrived at this conclusion?

So what YOU'RE saying is, absent a merger, I retire in the top 10% of the seniority list; with a merger and the "proposed" CAL SLI, I retire at the 45% mark. Meanwhile, the entire widebody fleet is filled with CAL guys that would have never seen a widebody captain's seat without the merger. I'm sure that factored in to these young jedis' minds when they took a job at CAL (rolling my eyes).

I don't have the transcript in front of me but is that the one during the CAL presentation where the UAL attorney later cross-examanined the witness and pointed out, using the exact same two pilots presented during his testimony, that the furloughed UAL pilot would retire a 747 CA and the CAL pilot could never hold anything other than 737 CA despite the 15 year age difference????

If so, then yes I agree, I think the arbitrators should have noticed. ;)

My favorite part was when the UAL attorney was cross examining one of the CAL merger committee members and said "Obviously I'm not going to get you to admit your proposal is ridiculous".

The CAL merger committee is well aware of that. That's why they couldn't do any future projections. They just talked about where people are today and ignored the future. No matter how the list is done, this is good for them long term.

They aren't stupid. They get what you are saying. They obviously benefit every year more than the previous year. That's why guys on this forum on the CAL side don't want to talk about career expectations.