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She is displaying her "offense" to comments of that nature.

LMAO ........ Classic :p

Or Capitalism at its' most elemental...............

Being as there is a 767-400 sim there already....and supposedly a 777 sim moving from IAH soon, DENTK seems to be the obvious choice.

As others have said, that probably means the new UAL training center will be in.......Shreveport?

Wonder how that worked out for the NATCO guys that had the same?

:D

So is what you're saying is the double wide trailer park training center at IAH is going to be closed. What are all the SCABS going to do now?:D

Anyone that moves a headquarters to one of the most taxed states is not expected to make good sound decisions down the road anyway. Chicago vs IAH well both succk but more cash in my pocket in IAH and more left over to give to employees, so that means its moving to ORD

It was a decision based not solely on taxes or finance. Politics had a HUGE role in getting the merger approved. Just look and see who was sitting behind the desk in the Oval Office. If GWB were still President then all those former Chicago UAL middle managers would now be speaking with a drawl.

Random question, how do you get a job in the training dept? When I was first starting out flying in late 90s, everyone was getting out of AF. A couple of my IPs who applied at United were contacted and asked if they'd consider instructor jobs in the training center. I can't remember if any took it.

Is that still how they hire?

Yes and no.

Ground school instructors (non-flying) that teach the FOM, systems, etc., can be hired off the street into non pilot seniority list training department positions.

Flight instructors (i.e. sim) are seniority list pilots. If one wants to work as a UA instructor the first threshold is being hired as a pilot. At times of great demand it would not surprise me if UA was actively 'recruiting' potential instructors as line pilots. For example, during my initial new-hire indoc in the late nineties they took those of us with prior transport category training/checking experience aside and asked us to consider applying for instructor positions.

FYI, per the current United Pilot Agreement:

I had been with UAL 4 years and was a line guy the 777. I had previous instructor/check airmen experience. Back then they were actively looking for PI's and I took the job as I was sick and tired of commuting. IMO it's one of those jobs that beats the heck out of being JR on something as you have some control of your life. But it definitely has a time limit before your sanity starts to suffer.

You can only watch so many thousands of V1 cuts and have the same discussion over the same misunderstood operational limit before the wires start to cross and spark.

For the most part, a great group of people at TK, but how do those guys do it for 15+ yrs? I'd have to eat a hollow point.

Valid points, I was thinking more from a family/not being gone point of view. But yes....I could see sanity suffering.

How does pay work? And was it a 9-5 job or week on week off or...

Thanks for the response.

Having a job at TK was probably better than being at the bottom for the same time. It allows a predictable schedule and pay while getting more home time than more senior people flying the line after at lot of furloughs. When you think about it like that you can watch a heck of a lot of V1 cuts and live in Groundhog Day over and over and over and over.

The pay is excellent now it's what you are holding on paper at max credit 89 hours I think plus an override of like $800 or $900 bucks a month. I didn't take the time to look it up exactly but I think that is pretty close. So say you are teaching on the A-320 but you hold 777 F/O on paper. You'd get 777 pay at the max monthly credit plus the override. You get paid for whatever you can hold no matter what you are teaching on. Inversly if you are teaching on the 747 and hold A-320 F/O you are getting paid at that rate.

NOTE; To Tk dudes, I am going to look this up in the contract. If anything I said needs correction please feel free to jump in here and fix it before I get back.:)



It is NOT a 9-5 job depending on what you are doing. A regular sim session is a 6.5 hour day 1.5 hours of brief .5 break 4 hours of sim time and a .5 debrief. Some days are longer some are shorter depending on what you are doing and how many students you have. You get 12 or 13 days off a month you can pretty much pick them, sim times are variable from 0400 start times to as late as 2000 getting done at 0200. Those days kind of suck but they aren't all that common.

As far as groundhog day. I was good with it for the first three or four years because I was getting qualified to do new stuff all the time.

One of the things I really enjoyed was when we closed the 727 and DC-10 fleets down we had some guys who were having issues transitioning to glass and the two person crew dynamic after having spent a career on steam gauges with three pilots on the flight deck. I found a great sense of satisfaction working with those guys and getting them up to speed. It was very gratifying to be one of the "go to guys" when we had a pilot with some trouble. That was real teaching and not just running through the script and pushing buttons in the sim.

Almost correct ....

CAL. 90 hours Best Held PERIOD for all involved with overrides varying based on credentials(FIA, PCA, APD etc)

UAL. 6 year 767 FO for PI. Sad...

"Standards Captain" paid like a CAL APD but without the ability to commute positive space business with continuous per diem and paid hotel

Thx "H"oss. It's people like you and others who for the most part, have made TK a positive experience.

It's killing me, what does "TK" stand for?

Anyway, if I can manage to get hired, nice to know the possibility.

"Training Kingdom" is one possibility.

Training and Knowledge is what is stands for.

"Knowledge is Good"

IAH,

I don't know if you are aware of this or not but we signed a CBA a couple of months ago. It's really cool you should look it up!;)

So as per the CBA section 23-L Compensation. Everything I said is correct except PI's make 90 hours pay on what they can hold, not 89 hours as I reported. Override for a PI is $810 per month unless he is check airmen/validation qual certified then it's $1215 per month.

The "info" that IAHB756 is putting out was partially correct as per the previous contract. There is no longer any difference in I/E pay between L-CAL and L-UAL.

Thanks a lot, Special. I just spit beer onto my screen! :D

Sled

[QUOTE]but how do those guys do it for 15+ yrs? I'd have to eat a hollow point.[/QUOTE]

And yes that has been done by a long time PI already..

[QUOTE=Airhoss;1408890]That wasn't the best choice of words on my part. After the past 12 years I should have used my head, which escapes me more often than not. My apologies.

No worries ST, I know you didn't mean anything by it.

With the new merged airline, it was decided to choose something that more accurately reflects the true nature of such locations. In that spirit and by agreement of both sides and without objection by ALPA, the training centers will be known going forward as IAHRD and DENRD. The "RD" stands for "Rumors and Disinformation" if you didn't know.

I can't remember his name, but I had him as a PI for one or more events when I was on the guppy. He was a great dude and I was knocked off my feet when I found out. Very sad and tragic.

It's Fortran Computer Language shorthand for Training Center

Just heard Iah 777 sim will be moved to TK starting July15. Additional sim time being sought out in Miami and Seattle until September restart.

The 777 move was planned and announced about two months ago. There was a feasibility study performed to determine what to do about the having both training locations. The panel decided to move the 756 and 777 to TK. IAH will be a 737 and 787 training location and TK all else. Howard announcing that we are going to one location was a bit premature since it will be several years before this can occur. IAH is getting another 737 sim in 3rd quarter but when they go to one location, I think TK will be the spot. There has been drawings and plans to expand IAH and even take over the Expressjet building but I think that it was just looking at IAH and the associated costs to convert it to a TK like space and sell TK. The land around TK is going up in value but I am not sure if it will be worth enough to make a lot to go with this Plan B.

Howard didn't announce we were going to one training center "prematurely." At the Flight Operations Leadership tour thing, he said they had started the process of evaluating the future of dual training centers with the reality being that one will eventually close. He specifically said we are in the "very early stages" of studying this and any decision or move will not be happening soon. With another 737 NG simulator coming online in 2014 (in the place of the 777 simulator being moved to DENTC), this shows the IAHTC will be around for a couple of years, at least.

FWIW, I was told by an instructor at TK today that the land on which TK sits is owned by the city of Denver. It is not ours to sell. It is leased to is for next to nothing.

The land was all part of Stapleton, so the city owning it makes sense.

We attempted to sell the facility in the past, but there were no takers.

Might be the case today not sure, but in the BK exit agreement, the IAM had liens on DENTK, Elk Grove EXO realestate and building structures. Something to due with collateral for their terminated pensions. They did not get BOND payout like the pilots did. United own the land at that time. Not sure if that is still the case.

It is my opinion he did. There are more important topics he needs to focus on ad did talk about some, than a single training center. I believe he should say how he is focusing on our degraded operations and relationships with other co-workers and what is the critical items to him. Again he wasn't bad I just though is was a bit of a waste to discuss it now. My opinion.

When I was in Denver a few weeks ago, it was explained to me that the property was still UAL. Maybe it was building or both land and building but wasn't mentioned that it was building only. We were discussing the failed attempt to sale the building and the economy and the price was pretty high.