A Training Center to Close
 

Adios Humble. Won't shed any tears about it. I still see Fred's fluffers keeping some special assignments. Guess that's management code speak for getting canned.

Perhaps two training centers to close?????

FWIW, prior to the merger Howie's predecessor (Kolshak) was working on moving UA training to ORD and had already moved many of the support and development staff. The intent, apparently, was to duplicate DAL's HQ/TK setup that Kolshak was familiar with. Now that UAL's HQ is downtown I'm not sure that vision is attainable but I know where UAL owns a big building and real estate near ORD.

Houston/Denver we got a problem!

TK it sitting there maybe half occupied and IAH is busting at the seams. I don't see how they could move South without a ton of construction. Not to mention the fact that TK has a cafeteria.

Why not go about this the smart way, and make Chicago, Houston and Denver bid on a new facility, via tax incentives, and lease rates. Hell, why exclude SFO, LAX or IAD, let them all fight it out, and see who comes up with the best deal.

A lucid, logical and intelligent point, do you see the flaw in your reasoning?

I like Howard a whole lot more than Fred and the statement about a blank sheet is typical Howard.

Cadet said they were looking at moving to ORD in a previous admin but it will really come down to cost. Moving a sim is not a trivial thing, but I will wager the cirrent CAL location will not be the there ten years from now. But, saying that IAH is not out of the question as the training base.

One might notice the number of flights comparing ORD to IAH and it appears to be clear ORD is dwindling. And what does DEN have to offer? Paid for space.

This will be fun watching the arguments on this one.

I'm not sure Denver is even a player! None of our sims are ETOPS and they have small hydraulic actuators:D




C'mon....ya know SOMEBODY had to say that :-)

At least they match your planes...LOL

They are yours too in SEP. Technically they are yours now but people aren't taking off their ex-con bracelets off yet.

Is Shrek trying to make a funny? :D

I know where there is a lot of space at a MX facility at the IND airport...

Last rumor I heard...
737 training in IAH
Everything else in DEN.

I guess we will see.
What's an ExCon bracelet?

Don't worry we had them too but they had Glenn's Gotta Go on them. I have seen a couple - maybe three on pilots since I came over in Nov. Ex-Con as in Ex-Continental written on them.
Just an observation - I am not the bracelet-wearing type.

Please let it be DenTK and not because it is an old LUAL property. For the CAL guys that have not had the chance to visit - HUGE facility compared to Mecca and no more captive audience lunchtime vendors.

If it stays with us you will like it - honest. Oh yeah - I live in DEN too so that makes me biased as well :)

Now that's funny.....:D

I like DENTK but it is not convenient anymore. I say put it up for bid and let all the major cities compete. DENTK would sell easily as an office park etc. and over a few years we could all be in a new building(with a really nice cafeteria...) that includes a hotel etc. on property. I know IAH would throw money at this and offer to triple the size of IAHTK(and probably build a cafeteria). Let all the cities fight it out.

Not to mention that the neighborhood around TK has gone downhill, and is not really safe to be out and around the hotel across the street.

I hope they sell TK. It's a pain in the rear to commute to TK....and when you are in training the ride to the Hotel also sucks, tons of wasted time riding the bus to and from the Hotel and then to the airport.

Hopefully a new training center somewhere NEXT to an airport.

Houston has room. The city, not the CAL training center. It's maxed out for CAL without UAL. If they are starting new, my guess is Chicago because they seem to want everything there now. Money is not an issue, as long as it doesn't go directly to the pilot's paycheck. :rolleyes:

They will put a training center in whichever city provides the largest kickback to mgmt.

Time to start orchestrating a plan to kidnap Rosa. I don't think I'd even show up for recurrent if it wasn't for her breakfast burritos.

Denver is the obviously choice from a facility/space available standpoint. Which means they'll break ground on a new facility in Detroit MI immediately.

I think it will be denver thats stays, just too much to move that facility and I think they have some other issues with moving that many sims.
Bit of a drive from dia but never find it to be that big of a deal. As far as the neighborhood I have had no problems while running behind the hotel and no problems while heading out in fron to different places to eat.
I understand some have but a lot of people go out there all the time.

Syd,

Be honest, your pace behind the hotel was a bit faster. Correct?

If they take TK out of Denver they are going to have staffing problems is my guess. Many of the PIs have been there for years and have lives there. They aren't going to commute to a new TK or move.

There are lots of problems with moving TK out of Denver and no real benefits.

Lol st, but no my pace is slow no matter who is chasing me.

Sorry lax I corrected myself as I meant dtk will stay for the reasons I stated.

Now that they put a liquor store right next to TK I have grown accustomed to the place. Walking to the DT is pretty nice too. I's scairt of hotel vans.

There's an empty sim building in MSP you guys can have for cheap;)

Let us not forget that DENTK has the capacity to maintain the training requirements of a 12,000 pilot workforce.

Of course, it would require updating but the physical space and capacity is there sitting idle.

DENTK is getting a light rail station built right down the street from it that will be served by the same line that goes out to the new airport and also to downtown Denver in just a few years. Doesn't get much more convenient than that.

As for the neighborhood around it, it's always been in a tougher part of town, but it's getting better fast, and definitely not getting worse.

I personally wish they would do away with ALL training centers!!

Yes! They should give pilots the same privileges they give Boeing, fertilizer companies, and banks--self regulation. Once a year I give myself a checkride and upload the grade sheet directly to the FAA website along with my MedExpress form. Imagine the savings! :D

I'd say that's only fair, because pilots as a group generally support banks, fertilizer companies, and aircraft manufacturing companies (NOT their employees) when it comes time to cast a ballot or register a political opinion.

I noticed that the centerfold of the most recent ALPA magazine, an ALPA-PAC solicitation, proudly informs us that the ALPA-PAC contributed the third-highest amount of money, after NATCA and the International Union of Operating Engineers, to Republican candidates--and that ALPA-PAC contributed zero dollars to any of Barack Obama's campaigns.

So, if corporates are going to be freed from regulation, why not airline pilots? We're loyal, patriotic citizens of the great American corporatrocracy. Good point, APC225! (While we're at it, could I get my pilot pay taxed at the capital gains rate?);)

Yup! What could possibly go wrong? B787 battery fires, explosions in fertilizer plants built next to the children and elderly, and economic meltdown. If an airline's planes crash because pilots weren't being fully forthright in their self regulation, then passengers will simply buy away from that airline to a safer one. Could get rid of three federal agencies: FAA, NTSB, and uh uh, one other but I forget. A fed giving a checkride is actually unpatriotic! It is not allowing the marketplace to work and thereby socialistic. Please write your congressman to stop these unAmerican over-regulated unAmerican evaluations.

Let the marketplace work! People dieing in foreign ghetto garment factories so we can have cheap underwear, no universal health insurance so the poor have to go to the ER for the most expensive medical possible which we pay for with ever higher premiums. Invisible hand, every one act in their own self interest, Howard Roark statues everywhere, one for all all for one, (for "the producers") rah rah rah, go team.

Liquor store AND take out pizza .. who could ask for more

James,

Don't overlook the fact that they got crack *****s in the hood too!

You see Crackheads - I see discount urban massage. :eek:

James is pickin' up what you're layin' down. Capitalism at its....uh.....dirtiest.