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Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 1414830)

So the short answer is no one understands what I'm saying. I'll ask the same question: Why is it that the new contract is a net pay benefit to UAL pilots at the expense of CAL pilots, and what proof is there that this is the result of politics?

you want to quantify that? good luck....

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Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 1414833)

And, what was the UAL contract 2000 pay rate for 737s, and what was the DAL pay rate in July of 2012 when the contract was being negotiated? I can tell you my pay rate in 2000 was $152 and now it's $132.

And you voted "yes"??????

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Originally Posted by CleCapt (Post 1414949)

And you voted "yes"??????

With regards to pay rates:

From my earliest days as a pilot, I have always said that I do not want to work for the company with the highest labor costs in the industry. Historically that has turned out to be a losing situation.

Furthermore, as has been mentioned over and over and over, my vote and most UAL yes votes were a vote to end the tyranny of the CAL-MEC and little else mattered. On that issue we will simply have to agree to disagree.

Finally, the contract was tentatively agreed to prior to the announcement of the new DAL contract, and the pay rates we have are above the previous DAL contract. If someone believes the company would have negotiated a pay rate based on a DAL contract not yet signed I think they are ignoring reality. The fact that DAL leapfrogged our rates immediately after our contract was announced is good for everyone.

Exhibits taken from UAL's Bankruptcy case in 2003

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Tyranny of the CAL MEC? LOL The things you come up with VOX....

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Originally Posted by Maxepr1 (Post 1415101)

Tyranny of the CAL MEC? LOL The things you come up with VOX....

Depends on your perspective....

Completely wrong on all counts about DAL contract. Their extension passed before we even had an agreement in principal or TA or whatever other BS term ALPA fed us. But don't let facts get in the way of your solid argument that 737 guys got more then the poor neglected widebody guys in this POS contract. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Snarge (Post 1415149)

Depends on your perspective....

Exactly Snarge, You hit it on the head !!!!!... Depends on your perspective...Is there a problem when my perspective is different than yours? Post it here and watch what happens. Maybe if some of us realized there are sometimes others with different views things would go easier. Some people can attack someone or a side hard, but at the same point can't accept the fall out of criticism when it returns to them. So the Tyranny statement of the CAL MEC is in my perspective way off base... I do take in to account the statements' origin and what prejudice might be behind it and I do find it funny...

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Originally Posted by Maxepr1 (Post 1415101)

Tyranny of the CAL MEC? LOL The things you come up with VOX....

If you disagree, it is due to one of two things. Either you are in denial, or you have had your head up your .......

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You guys have a history of this type of thing........