CAL v. UAL Rants, thread drift overflow
 

You can blame j.pierce for this and the games he played during contract negotiations but what the heck, you'll get a little more seniority.

Not only pierce but heppner as well! They both sold us this pos contract with the lousy scope that allows 90 seaters configured as 76 seaters to be flown by non-seniority list pilots.

How did you Vote?

There is much about that statement I agree with, but just a correction:

The first (30) EMB175s announced a few weeks ago are being bought by United. These (40) planes are being bought by Skywest, as part of a 100 aircraft order with 100 options.

SkyWest, Inc. Announces Agreement With Embraer For 100 Firm And 100 Options E175 Regional Jets - Yahoo! Finance

I just completed a trip where we were supposed to have "contractually compliant crew meals" on board all but one of our flights, per the meal matrix posted on the Flight Operations website. Not one meal was boarded this trip and the caterers didn't have a clue what we were talking about. That's fine. I just ended up expensing a nice reasonable dinner of MY choosing on each overnight. Sorry for the drift....

Wow nice ewr you really showed them this time, lol. There probably discussing this over at headquarters right now.

Doesn't matter how anybody voted on this contract. It was backloaded by pierce and company to get a no vote to delay implementation and promote the big seniority grab. It backfired on him and you see the results with the fake seniority lists and other SLI claims/lies. The cal guys asked for it - now live with it.

Dude. Give your blame game a break and move ahead with the issues at hand. When will you take responsibility or is it easier to always blame the other guy. Pierce is only one vote, and as I recall takes more than 1 vote ( MEC and pilot groups) to make this happen. Some voted this, it's done...now the " new" United will have to deal with it..

I voted for the agreement. Here is why:

CAL ALPA really brought not too much to the table, so instead of using real leverage, Pierce manufactured leverage with brinkmanship. CAL JCBA negotiations were all about the ISL, because, ..... CAL really brought not too much to the table. The CAL pilots traded unity for a few pieces of silver.... They were happy with the status quo of no JCBA for the upgrades, regardless of where it was going to put them in a couple of years. For the betterment of all of us, we needed to get the CBA done and the ISL done, so the company can quit playing us against each other.... That had value to me.

There was no better deal. No one, could present a compelling argument to vote No with the prospects of a better deal. Even to this date, on this forum, no one can provide this argument. There is no precedence. The APA BK agreement doesn't come close.

The political capital collected by the UAL Leg Affairs on CapHill was used up. The political players and the NMB believed this was the best deal. Compared to the rest of the economy, if we voted this down, we'd be seen as whiny prima donnas. In this anti labor, pro capital economy, this is a good deal.

The NO voters are identity driven. They want to be known as better than Delta and equal in status as Smisek.... this JCBA didn't match that. If this was your belief position, then you readily identified with the vagueness and ambiguity of the NO voters. Unable to definitively discuss the determination of the NO vote, yet, compelled nonetheless to vote NO. But that wasn't the lens used by the yes voters. The yes voters pragmatically looked at the data... used a business deal logic and voted.

It's called negotiations for a reason. That is why we didn't get everything what we wanted. And why the company didn't get all they wanted....

Despite the NO ego's, and for their betterment, the JCBA passes. What has happened is done. We own it, let's move on... get the ISL done, put on the cheesy uniform and proceed.

This all happened well before it got to a MEC/membership vote. You guys really don't understand the direction pierce took you has caused more harm to the combined pilot group going forward than anything we as a group could have voted on. Put you head back in the the sand.

Are you for real? You really believe what you just wrote?