Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1431138)

The broad brush blames all LCAL pilots for Jay Pierce's profit sharing deal so I presume it will now also show appreciation for found money. No?

Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 1431154)

If the whole PS thing had been properly handled at the time we (plural) could all have received pre-JCBA improvements that were on the front burner at the time. Instead, the PS sharing fiasco disguised as a grievance settlement occurred with the associated loss of unity and leverage...

Originally Posted by AxlF16 (Post 1431145)

I only wish your leadership had the sense to extract something from the company in a manner that created unity and trust instead of the destructive path they chose. We could've achieved the victory together.

Originally Posted by APC225 on 12/21/11

That's what happens when we try an end around our own CBA. For the sake of a pittance profit sharing check, UAL could be up to our pay rates AND their work rules, while we've got still OUR workrules.

The "career expectations" part of the SLI may have just changed dramatically too. We may have just traded away years of higher earnigs potential amounting to hundreds of thousands of dollars for a $5000 check. CAL pilots negotiating. It's got to be an oxymoron or something.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ua...ibility-3.html, #83

Originally Posted by AxlF16 (Post 1431145)

You're just scratching the surface of the foolishness displayed by all parties involved in that deal. I still not sure why you're insinuating that we should thank you for any recompense.

Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1431186)

I agree with you on this. We could have had a JCBA earlier and in unity much earlier. It was a massive setback IMO and I said so at the time,

Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1431193)

Unnecessary poking I guess. It seems the LUAL perception is that we (JP) played them whereas it seems JP played the company and now everyone's going to get money. As I said in an earlier post I think this cost all of us in the long run more than was gained.

Originally Posted by Staller (Post 1431218)

he was played by Jeff and company to help drive a bigger wedge between the two groups.

Originally Posted by APC225 on 1/26/12

And that's why the company was desperate to give us PS. We were totally bamboozled by the company on this. Feb 14 will be a day of mourning for me for the pilot unity that has once again eluded us. $3000. Geez.

Originally Posted by Staller (Post 1431218)

I think you know I respect your opinions and trust your writings but I do think you are giving pierce to much credit for outfoxing anybody - He's not that smart - he was played by Jeff and company to help drive a bigger wedge between the two groups.

Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1431138)

LUAL pilots are likely to get a tidy--and unexpected sum--due to LCAL pilots getting profit sharing outside the scope of the TPA. The company was foolish enough to award it to LCAL pilots, now they may have to match that amount to the LUAL pilots.

The broad brush blames all LCAL pilots for Jay Pierce's profit sharing deal so I presume it will now also show appreciation for found money. No?

Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1431229)

Yes indeed.

Things were not going well (have they ever been?) and the company absolutely had to have that money shot and story of "the merger has been a success, the worst is over, see, everyone gets a check" on Valentine's Day It wasn't awarded based on a TPA interpretation or a side deal. It was a settlement of a grievance over the improper sale of some 757s. Since the planes were already gone, the settlement could only be punitive in cash. By JP's own words in a union conference call last Spring he said at the very best union would have received was one to two million dollars for harm done. So, the company settles a $2m grievance for $40m. What a great deal. Right. When has the company ever been that helpful to the pilot group. As I said at the time, WE had the leverage and should have said "you want to have a photo op of unity on Valentine's Day? Great. Negotiate in good faith NOW so we'll have a JCBA on Valentine's Day and we'll give all the photos you want."