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tkhayes90 06-25-2013 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by Staller (Post 1434258)
No way should this be used to improve the contract. It's should be a straight money award distributed among the UAL pilots. cal guys stole theirs and caused a bad contract to be voted in and should in NO WAY SHARE in this award.

Why am I not surprised that a LOA 25 fix would not be an option. Oh wait, just those pesky furloughees, F'em....again.

Staller 06-25-2013 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by LeeMat (Post 1434276)
You win Staller, we ALL win Staller, as a united group, again we all win in the future. In response to your boy scout comment, I like what I see in the mirror every morning but more importantly my wife, kids, family and friends like who they see as well. You, not very much I gather. I am out, have to go find that ignore button!

It's not about winning - it's about doing the right thing. Tell me one time the cal pilots have said WE? Pierce and his actions, supported by the cal MEC and cal pilot group, did everything to maximize the return for their side. Now, you want to share - how many olive branches do you want to extend to these guys? How much money do you want to give the cal guys? You Sir - don't speak for the majority of the UAL pilots. If you cared to listen you'd notice you don't have the support of the guys you fly with.

larryiah 06-25-2013 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by Staller (Post 1434258)
No way should this be used to improve the contract. It's should be a straight money award distributed among the UAL pilots. cal guys stole theirs and caused a bad contract to be voted in and should in NO WAY SHARE in this award.

Caused a bad contract to be voted in? I think it should be used to get rid of the large RJ giveaway that you guys brought with you. Not sure if it was the puny pay bump or the proliferation of larger RJs that you guys voted for en masse.

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Staller 06-25-2013 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by SEDPA (Post 1434285)
Played just like a broken record ... its ALWAYS the CAL guys fault ... MAN-UP and take responsibility for your own actions or in-actions ... nobody on this board knows who voted how, on the macro level ... many believe that the UAL guys drove the yes voted, many out of fear ... you brought a weak contract w/respect to scope protections (i.e. no flying hour ratio protections), and had to play that hand when faced with the perceived threat of losing that if the TP&A had expired ... that is how it went down ... now back to the regularly scheduled L-CAL bashing.

The UAL contract was far superior to any contract cal had since Lorenzo gave it to you guys - can't play that game. Fact is - pierce accepted an offer from Jeff for " profit sharing" to settle a grievance. You think he didn't know the impact this would have? Jeff played him and the UAL MEC took him to task - he/they lost...........

larryiah 06-25-2013 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by Staller (Post 1434305)
The UAL contract was far superior to any contract cal had since Lorenzo gave it to you guys - can't play that game. Fact is - pierce accepted an offer from Jeff for " profit sharing" to settle a grievance. You think he didn't know the impact this would have? Jeff played him and the UAL MEC took him to task - he/they lost...........

Pierce didn't get played by anybody. Your grievance is between UALALPA and the company. Get it from Glenn.

Staller 06-25-2013 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by tkhayes90 (Post 1434296)
Why am I not surprised that a LOA 25 fix would not be an option. Oh wait, just those pesky furloughees, F'em....again.

This is not about furloughees - LeeMat put that in to gain your support for his ILL CONCEIVED scheme.

Staller 06-25-2013 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by larryiah (Post 1434308)
Pierce didn't get played by anybody. Your grievance is between UALALPA and the company. Get it from Glenn.


Keep up Larry -

tkhayes90 06-25-2013 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by Staller (Post 1434310)
This is not about furloughees - LeeMat put that in to gain your support for his ILL CONCEIVED scheme.

You are correct, but it is an opportunity for the UAL pilots to act like unionists, take care of their own and fix LOA 25. But again, it just those pesky furlougees, F'em...again.

larryiah 06-25-2013 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by Staller (Post 1434311)
Keep up Larry -

I'm keeping up quite well, thank you.

Staller 06-25-2013 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by tkhayes90 (Post 1434314)
You are correct, but it is an opportunity for the UAL pilots to act like unionists, take care of their own and fix LOA 25. But again, it just those pesky furlougees, F'em...again.

On this you are wrong - tell me why and who insisted on putting LOA 25 in the contract.


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