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iama570 06-24-2013 07:47 AM

TA Grievance Award
 
Any thoughts to why ALPA would request Neutral Block "send back to the parties for consideration of remedy". Seems to me that would just delay a possible award to LUAL pilots.

Staller 06-24-2013 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by iama570 (Post 1433697)
Any thoughts to why ALPA would request Neutral Block "send back to the parties for consideration of remedy". Seems to me that would just delay a possible award to LUAL pilots.

You can bet pierce has a hand in this if it goes against the UAL side.
It's time for that guy to go away - Hold him accountable.

Dave Fitzgerald 06-24-2013 08:00 AM

From what I understand, once the grievance has been decided, in this case in favor of L-UAL, then it is fairly standard to send it back to resolve the grievance. Nothing sinister, and I don't think Pierce would have much to say about it. This grievance is between L-UAL ALPA and the company.

Jim Lively 06-24-2013 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 1433706)
From what I understand, once the grievance has been decided, in this case in favor of L-UAL, then it is fairly standard to send it back to resolve the grievance. Nothing sinister, and I don't think Pierce would have much to say about it. This grievance is between L-UAL ALPA and the company.


Sooner or later you'll get your pennies on the dollar. I assume that the way things go around the campus it will be later.

LeeMat 06-25-2013 03:45 AM


Originally Posted by Jim Lively (Post 1434217)
Sooner or later you'll get your pennies on the dollar. I assume that the way things go around the campus it will be later.

The company settled a $200K dollar grievance for $40M, that is more than pennies on the dollars. I think a "settlement" precedent has been set. This leverage if used wisely could generate some contract improvement that will benefit "ALL". See how is that selfish?
-1.3.5 duty rigs (sooner)
-LOA 25 (GONE)
-NO FSB unless IROPS
-4hr RSV call out (again)
-min line guarantee 73
-Fix the crew rest situation

Staller 06-25-2013 03:54 AM


Originally Posted by LeeMat (Post 1434257)
The company settled a $200K dollar grievance for $40M, that is more than pennies on the dollars. I think a "settlement" precedent has been set. This leverage if used wisely could generate some contract improvement that will benefit "ALL". See how is that selfish?
-1.3.5 duty rigs (sooner)
-LOA 25 (GONE)
-NO FSB unless IROPS
-4hr RSV call out (again)
-min line guarantee 73
-Fix the crew rest situation

No way should this be used to improve the contract. It's should be a straight money award distributed among the UAL pilots. cal guys stole theirs and caused a bad contract to be voted in and should in NO WAY SHARE in this award.

LeeMat 06-25-2013 04:10 AM


Originally Posted by Staller (Post 1434258)
No way should this be used to improve the contract. It's should be a straight money award distributed among the UAL pilots. cal guys stole theirs and caused a bad contract to be voted in and should in NO WAY SHARE in this award.

I did not expect the ME! ME! ME! ME! crowd to see the obvious in the above example. Staller, you are sounding just like the guy you dislike the most, JP himself. Ironic is it not?
Let ME make it more simple: The above improvements are WORTH more long term than the miserly ONE TIME amount of approx. $5200 per pilot. Capiche!

Staller 06-25-2013 04:33 AM


Originally Posted by LeeMat (Post 1434266)
I did not expect the ME! ME! ME! ME! crowd to see the obvious in the above example. Staller, you are sounding just like the guy you dislike the most, JP himself. Ironic is it not?
Let ME make it more simple: The above improvements are WORTH more long term than the miserly ONE TIME amount of approx. $5200 per pilot. Capiche!

Turn it into a ME thing????? The reason we ended up with the contract we did was because of the actions of the cal pilots. We are still separate pilot groups and any attempt to use this ruling as a means to improve contract over awarding damages to the pilot group will end in lawsuits. Want to guess who'll win?


The highlighted section may be true but are you really that big a boy Scout?

LeeMat 06-25-2013 04:51 AM


Originally Posted by Staller (Post 1434271)
Turn it into a ME thing????? The reason we ended up with the contract we did was because of the actions of the cal pilots. We are still separate pilot groups and any attempt to use this ruling as a means to improve contract over awarding damages to the pilot group will end in lawsuits. Want to guess who'll win?


The highlighted section may be true but are you really that big a boy Scout?

You win Staller, we ALL win Staller, as a united group, again we all win in the future. In response to your boy scout comment, I like what I see in the mirror every morning but more importantly my wife, kids, family and friends like who they see as well. You, not very much I gather. I am out, have to go find that ignore button!

SEDPA 06-25-2013 04:59 AM


Originally Posted by Staller (Post 1434271)
The reason we ended up with the contract we did was because of the actions of the cal pilots.

Played just like a broken record ... its ALWAYS the CAL guys fault ... MAN-UP and take responsibility for your own actions or in-actions ... nobody on this board knows who voted how, on the macro level ... many believe that the UAL guys drove the yes voted, many out of fear ... you brought a weak contract w/respect to scope protections (i.e. no flying hour ratio protections), and had to play that hand when faced with the perceived threat of losing that if the TP&A had expired ... that is how it went down ... now back to the regularly scheduled L-CAL bashing.


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