UPA Next Steps
 

If you haven't read the UPA Next Steps, and you are l-UAL, don't bother. It's all old contract stuff or already in effect. If you are l-CAL, please enjoy the 12hr block to block RSV rest between trips, min 13 hr long call (A) callout and 10:00 last day release, as well as the max 14 hr short call (B) duty period and the 15:00 last day release. All improvements from your previous contract I'm sure. Just minimum civilized work rules for us l-UAL types. :D

Good Day,
Sled

Enjoy the raise in hourly pay you got from your chapter 11 contract, and the new metal that will be arriving to fly, compliments of us CAL types. Your benefiting from a joint contract that YOUR mec approved. Wake up dude.

Not on reserve, got a cost of living adjustment and some energy bars. Voted NO.

You will be digging our PBS system soon.

And the guys who fly the high time turns you now can't fly them back to back... Sled, it's all according to your point of view....Just because you like them don't think its blanket coverage for all....Or I guess in your point of view" how dare someone think different than me I'm a United guy, I saved you!!!" I'd love to hear you gloating like you do here in the crew room sometime, but in reality you probably wouldn't... you just like to be tough on here. Sooner or later you'll grow up and maybe get that left seat. Sled, the world does not revolve around you. Get the point?

Our PBS can be fixed, as soon as OSC is taken out of the equation.

What raise??? I used to get 89 hours a month, now that CAL has opened bases in ORD on the Guppy, and most of our domestic flying went to them, I now enjoy the base pay of 70 hours and lovely reserve after being on the 767 for 7 years.
Yeah thanks for the bump in pay, lack of workrules we had BEFORE you guys came over with a contract that OBVIOUSLY pointed out that our draconian and expensive contract was unnecessary.

Question: If you were king of the airline, and you had two groups. One, that held you to your contract with them, or two, the other that *****d themselves out with zero work rules, and BEGGED to fly until their eyes bled.......which side would you grow???

Jaykris
ex rEAL (yeah thanks for that one too!)

"New Metal?" You mean the dog guppy's that are replacing the 757's?

I'm definitely wide awake and hating the new contract!

89 hours per month?!

89 hours per month?


I thought they had guys furloughed.

True Statement.

Our "union" doesn't have a cap with guys on furlough as far as I know.
Plus we came up with a really cool way to screw them even more in the new JCBA. Yessir, lets march in lockstep all ye Stepford Pilots!

With PBS (Pathetic Bidding System) you get what Hal wants you to get, irrespective of how many thousands you toss at the variables. Pilot input is essentially meaningless because its a shell game unless you're hyper senior in your seat. Three Card Monte and you're the chump! The system really sucks, and from what I hear, uCAL's is even worse. To put a cherry on top, its my understanding that we're transitioning to the uCAL system.

There are your happy thoughts for the day!

Just so you know...PBS stands for Probably Be Sick.

Yes NWAret, but that does not seem to matter to many on our property.

Yeah Moomba did it to you.... your welcome, is there anything we can do now to make life better... EAL family also, I moved on though....Yeah my eyes bled, and we all begged to fly?... What a crock, where you come up with that stuff is beyond me but if thats what you believe go ahead and let it eat you.... Welcome to your new airline....

You were flying 90 hrs a month, can't anymore and you say the CAL side was working till their eyes bled????? Good one !! I was doing wide body 18 days off 75-78 hrs. Look in the mirror.

Your blaming me for Eastern Airlines too?? That's a good one. How about Obamacare is that CALs fault? Our work rules were degraded as the result of a concessionary contract, much as your pay and scope was given up. Stop blaming us for all your problems I do the same as you, show up, fly, follow the contract and vote, the rest is out of my hands. I've been a member in good standing w Alpa for close to 20 years, don't hang your bad luck on me.

You get paid M5D. So you can get 90 hours credit for a month. Without having to sit in an airplane for all of those 90 hours.

You are kidding, right?:confused: We had guys on Furlough, yet the union told us high time does not effect staffing. Give me a break.

BTW, imho, anything above 70 hours credit:mad:, you are working too much.

TEN

What? you don't like your new contract? well tough sheet. Just wait about a month. I will be dancing in Houston Ops, celebrating my huge WINDFALL. ;) I'll be the guy with the FU t-shirt.

Sled

Those guys will still have the opportunity to help out the company when they've screwed up the staffing and want pilots to fix it.

The rest of us will enjoy the nice union rules.

SPANKED! Tough UAL rEAL rhetoric fails to match reality. Not suprising based on what furloughed and junior buds have told me. Can't wait for hypocrites like you to teach me how to stand up to management. :rolleyes:

Hardly a hypocrite. My coment was about a ual guy complaining about not getting his 89 hrs. I never flew high when we had guys out, and referencing
another post, I thought the alpa position of high time not affecting staffing total BS.

I seriously doubt it, you'll just be the quiet guy in the chair hiding in your cell phone... Awe you used the word tough sheet.... Think I really give a crap about your windfall? Sled, you pat yourself on the back way too much....LOL yeah right FU t-shirt you don't have the balls. I do hope you get some big dollars too. Sounds like you need it....

Go ahead and enjoy... I'm happy for you!!!!;)

Looking at my paycheck, I'm worse off now than the day after my bankruptcy pay cut.
...

United Airlines to ask Embraer to bid on planes


BRUSSELS | Wed Dec 9, 2009 12:40pm EST
Dec 9 (Reuters) - Brazilian aircraft manufacturer Embraer (EMBR3.SA)(ERJ.N) will be invited to join a tender to supply narrow-bodied planes to United Airlines, the head of United's parent company UAL Corp UAUA.O said on Wednesday.

"We are going to go into the narrow-bodied (plane) market next year. We are going to invite Embraer into that competition," UAL Chief Executive Glenn Tilton said in an interview.

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But I sure do enjoy the eye opening CAL maintenance. Thanks

Riddle me this. If everyone bids only min hours, what happens? The only way to force min hours is for management and the union to agree. Which is cheaper for management?

Was not directed towards you. Jaykris seems to believe he should rightfully credit 89 hours/month while many are furloughed. I if d that completely hypocritical given the lecture about CAL pilots.

Well if a CAL 67 Capt complained to me about not consistently crediting 89 hrs/month while people were furloughed, I would tell him/her that he/she is a greedy *insert explicitive*. Apparently you find this person's actions completely defensible. Can't wait for guys like you to teach me how to be a real union pilot...:rolleyes:

How would you force everyone to fly 75 hours?

I'm neither accusing, defending, nor characterizing anyone's actions. You however, are eager to jump to conclusions about me when I asked a simple question.

I was consistently awarded 87.5 while 147 were furloughed from CAL. That was the max line value that could be splatted under Contract '02. Never flew more then my line value and tried to drop as much as possible. Most importantly months where I was awarded a line under 80 hours, as always I never picked up open time or JM to hit some magical line value in the upper 80's. Thus I fail to have empathy for anyone moaning about their lost 89 hour line value while UAL people are furloughed. I guess you do cause after all the union says its okay.

You are not answering the question by telling me your bidding and scheduling prowess. How would you force everyone to fly 75 hours?

Where did I say ALPA or whoever should enforce a 75 hour cap? It would be nice, but given the injunction that was slapped down ALPA certainly lacks the heart for that. As an individual my point is simple; anybody lecturing me from a WB left seat about their superior integrity while he/she credited 89/month with people furloughed is quite simply a hypocrite.

Okay, let's try this another way. You bid and are awarded a 70 hour line. Great! You just showed the company and are protecting lual furloughees. Right? What happens to the other 19 hours you could have flown but didn't?

Regrettably, there is nothing we can do bidding wise to bring back furloughees unless you lower the cap. On the other side regarding the JRM coin, I completely agree with you.



Back to those 19 hrs...

Precisely. With PBS (which we've had since bankruptcy), the build window went to 65-95 for the 320 and 65-89 for everybody else. Even if every single pilot chooses 65 hours in PBS, at some point the company will force (I think CAL guys call it a splat) flying to max hours minus the buffer (30 min, I think). So at roughly half way down the list or even higher if all of the more senior pilots chose min time, the credit time goes to max hours involuntarily. This isn't like bidding hard lines where guys are necessarily adding flying to their schedule. It is quite the opposite with the forced flying being involuntarily assigned with no drops or trades available to reduce the schedule. I lived two summers as a junior guppy Cap in that realm. Total nightmare...

Scott

I agree. PBS doesn't care who bids what. It just makes sure the flying is covered. So you don't have a choice if junior. So just because a senior pilot maxes out his flying in the PBS run, the company just lowers it on a junior pilot and vice versa.

PBS crams 10 pounds of feces into a 5 pound bag.

I've never had a problem with it. Of course, I understand it. If you don't understand it, you can't use it to your advantage.

Yes 89 hours. That is what the crew desk would build the lines too. You could put in for 70, (which I did month after month), but they would give you and 89 hour line.

What of it??

J

Wow......my bad luck!!?? The CAL pilots with the scabs help, under Lorenzo stole all the assets from an ALPA carrier for their own benefit.

As far as a concessionary contract, thank your MEC for allowing the company to divide the forces, with such quotes as " I will hold up this contract forever if I have too".....
Lost workrules!!!! LOL! You didnt have any too lose! They were called the FARs.

Bad luck.......I have a few choice words for you on that one...

PBS would build you an 89 hour line REGARDLESS of your choices. Before you comment, know the rules.