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JoePatroni 09-03-2013 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by Toddnel (Post 1476253)
To be perfectly honest with you I landed about right where I expected to be. Most lists are based upon the merger announcement date or date of closing of the merger. Based upon that I was 66% on the CAL list and I am 66% on the total new list when you consider the folks hired since. I am right next to a guy hired 31/2 yrs before me on the 767 out of ORD. I am 777 in EWR. Not going to complain

Same here minus 1.6% of today's number. If I wasn't so lazy and looked it up, that's probably right where I was three years ago....give or take. Time to move on.

stage5 09-03-2013 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 1476270)
The SLI can't cause a bump or a flush but the contract can. If you are a junior CA you may be moving a lot or end up an FO.

thanks!
to clarify,
so you are saying the SLI release does not create any bumps/displacements as of now -

and the next system bid will allow to bid what you can hold based on the new ISL, which may lead to bumps or displacements.

so essentially its just saying this ISL release does not act like a system bid? (i understand its nothing like a system bid, just trying to compare & understand)

GPullR 09-03-2013 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by stage5 (Post 1476275)
thanks!
to clarify,
so you are saying the SLI release does not create any bumps/displacements as of now -

and the next system bid will allow to bid what you can hold based on the new ISL, which may lead to bumps or displacements.

so essentially its just saying this ISL release does not act like a system bid? (i understand its nothing like a system bid, just trying to compare & understand)

No,
when there is a bid you can bid what your seniority holds if there is a vacancy. Pilots who are diplaced, many from CAL 14-02 bid, can displace somebody junior to them.

MasterOfPuppets 09-03-2013 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by stage5 (Post 1476275)
thanks!
to clarify,
so you are saying the SLI release does not create any bumps/displacements as of now -

and the next system bid will allow to bid what you can hold based on the new ISL, which may lead to bumps or displacements.

so essentially its just saying this ISL release does not act like a system bid? (i understand its nothing like a system bid, just trying to compare & understand)

Basically you can't say hey I'm senior to the junior CA so give me his spot in his base. From here on out all positions will be awarded per this list to vacancy postings.

However if due to bases closing and fleet shifting and parking DISPLACEMENTS are caused then the junior pilots will start to be moved and maybe out of their seat.

However with all of the retirements and hiring I highly doubt well see downgrades. But I got money saying we see a few junior guys bumped out of base involuntarily.

stage5 09-03-2013 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 1476281)
Basically you can't say hey I'm senior to the junior CA so give me his spot in his base. From here on out all positions will be awarded per this list to vacancy postings.

However if due to bases closing and fleet shifting and parking DISPLACEMENTS are caused then the junior pilots will start to be moved and maybe out of their seat.

However with all of the retirements and hiring I highly doubt well see downgrades. But I got money saying we see a few junior guys bumped out of base involuntarily.


Originally Posted by GPullR (Post 1476280)
No,
when there is a bid you can bid what your seniority holds if there is a vacancy. Pilots who are diplaced, many from CAL 14-02 bid, can displace somebody junior to them.

thanks guys, think i got it now!

horrido27 09-03-2013 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by LAX Pilot (Post 1476251)
Today's date. They are all doing this. Plus that counts the new hires and UAL pilots who should be senior to them and doesn't count them now.

They won't talk about direct 2010 % because we are all within a couple percentage and they'd have nothing to complain about.

One quick post and then it's off to bed.
(only had two JW DB's... two finger though~)

On the Oct 2010 list, I was at 98%. Reserve 756 FO.
The comparable LUAL Pilot that was at 98% was a reserve A320 guy (Forgot his name.. got it written down some where).

Tonight, I moved to 92.4% on the new list (and was 81.3% on my LCAL List)
I am sandwiched inbetween 2 LUAL Pilots who were Furloughed on Oct '10.
Come next month, my buddy who was also furloughed but had since taken a job with LCAL and is currently junior to me will be VERY senior to me.
I will be lucky to still be able to hold a line. He was Furloughed on Oct '10! He will be getting my schedule in Oct, I will be getting worse than his~

The LUAL pilot who was 98% and bottom reserve A320 FO in Oct '10 will now be able to hold 777 FO.

If that is considered "Fair and Equitable", so be it.
It's not personal. It's business. I get that.
I won't be ****ed at any of those guys. They didn't do anything.
I'm ****ed at the three Arbitrators.
Hopefully, their time as Arbitrators is done. This should be a big wake up for the next airlines who merge and need Arbitrators.

Congrats to the LUAL Folks. Many hit the lottery tonight.
I am aware that many have also suffered greatly this past decade plus. Just a shame that it had to come off the backs of the Legacy Continental Pilot Group.

I was against our (LCAL) Proposal from the start and have posted that on numerous Forums and Threads. What I was also fearful was that we might be punished for our proposal. Seems I was right (after reading the Arbitrators Award Brief).

Oh well...
Still gonna fly my plane Safely and Professionally. It's what I'm paid to do and what my passengers expect. But I'd be lying if I didn't say I was disappointed and whenever I see a 75 heading off to Germany while I'm going to Glasgow, I'll be bummed.

Always
Motch

LAX Pilot 09-03-2013 09:07 PM

Sorry man. Those guys had to get some credit for their longevity, and the 35% was enough to put them with active pilots. Its the policy, not the arbitrators.

At least there is a bunch of retirements for the next 20 years.....

Skybo 09-03-2013 09:10 PM

Please explain how an LUAL 89 hire trumps an 87 hire at CAL? With what ALPA no doubt paid the arbitrators to completely ignore what CAL brought to the table, I think I'm going to be an arbitrator. I can be as crooked as the next guy. ALPA, in my opinion, saw the writing on the wall. Lose the LUAL pilots, lose the combined group and the millions they bring to the coffers. Better to appease the larger group.

All In 09-03-2013 09:24 PM

definitely look forward to reading the details and reasoning behind the award and not just looking at the numbers on list. want to understand the method and reasoning behind the decision. good luck to all going forward.

Shrek 09-03-2013 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by Skybo (Post 1476335)
Please explain how an LUAL 89 hire trumps an 87 hire at CAL? With what ALPA no doubt paid the arbitrators to completely ignore what CAL brought to the table, I think I'm going to be an arbitrator. I can be as crooked as the next guy. ALPA, in my opinion, saw the writing on the wall. Lose the LUAL pilots, lose the combined group and the millions they bring to the coffers. Better to appease the larger group.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

It's done - move on.


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