New Union?
09-04-2013 | 05:46 AM
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I dont see it happening. While ALPA has its faults, it is probably the best and cheapest insurance I have for my career. They make mistakes don't get me wrong but I have seen nothing at USAPA that makes me think a new union would fix anything.
Most of these new unions are grown out of individuals who have very distinct issues with ALPA. They tend to have strong personalities and everything will work as long as you agree with them.
Most of these new unions are grown out of individuals who have very distinct issues with ALPA. They tend to have strong personalities and everything will work as long as you agree with them.
09-04-2013 | 06:12 AM
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I dont see it happening. While ALPA has its faults, it is probably the best and cheapest insurance I have for my career. They make mistakes don't get me wrong but I have seen nothing at USAPA that makes me think a new union would fix anything.
Most of these new unions are grown out of individuals who have very distinct issues with ALPA. They tend to have strong personalities and everything will work as long as you agree with them.
Most of these new unions are grown out of individuals who have very distinct issues with ALPA. They tend to have strong personalities and everything will work as long as you agree with them.
09-04-2013 | 06:24 AM
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Real easy to say on a forum. Not so easy to do. ALPA is like our government. It may be screwed up and dysfunctional but I would still choose it over the alternatives.
Show me anything that works any better. I've been a Teamster, no better. USAPA is a mess. The Allied Pilots Association wont have us. And, the IACP while it had a bunch of cash, was the same Good Old Boy group that you are complaining about here.
Show me anything that works any better. I've been a Teamster, no better. USAPA is a mess. The Allied Pilots Association wont have us. And, the IACP while it had a bunch of cash, was the same Good Old Boy group that you are complaining about here.
09-04-2013 | 06:44 AM
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It amazes me that pilots would use this seniority list integration as a reason to get rid of ALPA. I'm not exactly an ALPA cheerleader, but....
If you get rid of ALPA be assured there will be a movement to "pay by longevity" in the next contract. If you don't mind that by all means start your quixotic journey to decertify ALPA.
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If you get rid of ALPA be assured there will be a movement to "pay by longevity" in the next contract. If you don't mind that by all means start your quixotic journey to decertify ALPA.
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09-04-2013 | 07:03 AM
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It amazes me that pilots would use this seniority list integration as a reason to get rid of ALPA. I'm not exactly an ALPA cheerleader, but....
If you get rid of ALPA be assured there will be a movement to "pay by longevity" in the next contract. If you don't mind that by all means start your quixotic journey to decertify ALPA.
Birddog
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If you get rid of ALPA be assured there will be a movement to "pay by longevity" in the next contract. If you don't mind that by all means start your quixotic journey to decertify ALPA.
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09-04-2013 | 07:05 AM
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Real easy to say on a forum. Not so easy to do. ALPA is like our government. It may be screwed up and dysfunctional but I would still choose it over the alternatives.
Show me anything that works any better. I've been a Teamster, no better. USAPA is a mess. The Allied Pilots Association wont have us. And, the IACP while it had a bunch of cash, was the same Good Old Boy group that you are complaining about here.
Show me anything that works any better. I've been a Teamster, no better. USAPA is a mess. The Allied Pilots Association wont have us. And, the IACP while it had a bunch of cash, was the same Good Old Boy group that you are complaining about here.
09-04-2013 | 07:21 AM
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The SLI is not the only reason. Alpo is a crooked organization only interested in self preservation. They don't give a damn about you. I have been involved several years. What I have seen behind the scenes would curl your hair. This was no doubt my last contract. I am only thinking of the future pilots who will no doubt have to endure more of the same.
09-04-2013 | 07:30 AM
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The problem is it is run by humans. Humans by their nature often get wrapped up in politics and lose sight of the good they intended to do. That is why I have always been in favor of term limits in Congress. Once you get the power it is tough to give it up and the political quagmire changes you. Mix that with pilots who are naturally divided by airlines, aircraft type, pay rates, etc and you are amazed that it becomes what it is? Simply changing the name is not going to change reality. In that case, ALPA wins in my book simply because of the years and years of organization and operating expertise and it's political power.
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