777 Cap staffing disparity. What's up?
09-25-2013, 01:24 PM
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777 Cap staffing disparity. What's up?
So can anyone tell me where my math is wrong or what the heck is up with the 777 Cap vacancies or lack there of for the L-UAL domiciles.
538 total 777 captains. CAL side has 189 777 captains and 22 planes for a staffing ratio of 8.6 per plane. UAL side has 349 777 captains and 52 planes for a staffing ratio of 6.7 per plane. Plus UAL domiciles show total retirements of (9+8+4+2)=23 retirements which brings staffing below the Min value posted in 3 out of the 4 domiciles but still no vacancies posted.
And, let's not forget the 5 retirements on the 747 which is staffed to a ratio of 6.4 while the 787 is staffed to a ratio of 8.7 for now and a projected Q4 ending ratio of 10.8!
Me thinks this stinks to high heaven.
Anybody got a clue on what's up with this
538 total 777 captains. CAL side has 189 777 captains and 22 planes for a staffing ratio of 8.6 per plane. UAL side has 349 777 captains and 52 planes for a staffing ratio of 6.7 per plane. Plus UAL domiciles show total retirements of (9+8+4+2)=23 retirements which brings staffing below the Min value posted in 3 out of the 4 domiciles but still no vacancies posted.
And, let's not forget the 5 retirements on the 747 which is staffed to a ratio of 6.4 while the 787 is staffed to a ratio of 8.7 for now and a projected Q4 ending ratio of 10.8!
Me thinks this stinks to high heaven.
Anybody got a clue on what's up with this
09-25-2013, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunvox
So can anyone tell me where my math is wrong or what the heck is up with the 777 Cap vacancies or lack there of for the L-UAL domiciles.
538 total 777 captains. CAL side has 189 777 captains and 22 planes for a staffing ratio of 8.6 per plane. UAL side has 349 777 captains and 52 planes for a staffing ratio of 6.7 per plane. Plus UAL domiciles show total retirements of (9+8+4+2)=23 retirements which brings staffing below the Min value posted in 3 out of the 4 domiciles but still no vacancies posted.
And, let's not forget the 5 retirements on the 747 which is staffed to a ratio of 6.4 while the 787 is staffed to a ratio of 8.7 for now and a projected Q4 ending ratio of 10.8!
Me thinks this stinks to high heaven.
Anybody got a clue on what's up with this
538 total 777 captains. CAL side has 189 777 captains and 22 planes for a staffing ratio of 8.6 per plane. UAL side has 349 777 captains and 52 planes for a staffing ratio of 6.7 per plane. Plus UAL domiciles show total retirements of (9+8+4+2)=23 retirements which brings staffing below the Min value posted in 3 out of the 4 domiciles but still no vacancies posted.
And, let's not forget the 5 retirements on the 747 which is staffed to a ratio of 6.4 while the 787 is staffed to a ratio of 8.7 for now and a projected Q4 ending ratio of 10.8!
Me thinks this stinks to high heaven.
Anybody got a clue on what's up with this
09-25-2013, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Toddnel
I'm guessing some of the 777 staffing ratio disparity is due to the fact that the CAL 777's are flying all long haul trip except London.
I'm afraid I don't understand how segment length affects staffing ratios. It may be true that L-UAL flies fewer blockhours per plane, but that would not directly correlate with segment length. I can do a 3 day domestic trip worth 24 hours or I can do a 3 day Istanbul worth 20 hours not to mention I think your basic assumption that L-CAL does longer flights on the 777 is incorrect, but you'd have to pull the schedules and have a look to be certain. I know in IAD the 777 does nothing but extreme long haul like China, Kuwait, Dubai, and Japan with LHR being the only "short hop".
09-25-2013, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunvox
I'm afraid I don't understand how segment length affects staffing ratios. It may be true that L-UAL flies fewer blockhours per plane, but that would not directly correlate with segment length. I can do a 3 day domestic trip worth 24 hours or I can do a 3 day Istanbul worth 20 hours not to mention I think your basic assumption that L-CAL does longer flights on the 777 is incorrect, but you'd have to pull the schedules and have a look to be certain. I know in IAD the 777 does nothing but extreme long haul like China, Kuwait, Dubai, and Japan with LHR being the only "short hop".
09-25-2013, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunvox
So can anyone tell me where my math is wrong or what the heck is up with the 777 Cap vacancies or lack there of for the L-UAL domiciles.
538 total 777 captains. CAL side has 189 777 captains and 22 planes for a staffing ratio of 8.6 per plane. UAL side has 349 777 captains and 52 planes for a staffing ratio of 6.7 per plane. Plus UAL domiciles show total retirements of (9+8+4+2)=23 retirements which brings staffing below the Min value posted in 3 out of the 4 domiciles but still no vacancies posted.
And, let's not forget the 5 retirements on the 747 which is staffed to a ratio of 6.4 while the 787 is staffed to a ratio of 8.7 for now and a projected Q4 ending ratio of 10.8!
Me thinks this stinks to high heaven.
Anybody got a clue on what's up with this
538 total 777 captains. CAL side has 189 777 captains and 22 planes for a staffing ratio of 8.6 per plane. UAL side has 349 777 captains and 52 planes for a staffing ratio of 6.7 per plane. Plus UAL domiciles show total retirements of (9+8+4+2)=23 retirements which brings staffing below the Min value posted in 3 out of the 4 domiciles but still no vacancies posted.
And, let's not forget the 5 retirements on the 747 which is staffed to a ratio of 6.4 while the 787 is staffed to a ratio of 8.7 for now and a projected Q4 ending ratio of 10.8!
Me thinks this stinks to high heaven.
Anybody got a clue on what's up with this
09-26-2013, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunvox
I'm afraid I don't understand how segment length affects staffing ratios. It may be true that L-UAL flies fewer blockhours per plane, but that would not directly correlate with segment length. I can do a 3 day domestic trip worth 24 hours or I can do a 3 day Istanbul worth 20 hours not to mention I think your basic assumption that L-CAL does longer flights on the 777 is incorrect, but you'd have to pull the schedules and have a look to be certain. I know in IAD the 777 does nothing but extreme long haul like China, Kuwait, Dubai, and Japan with LHR being the only "short hop".
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