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03-02-2015 | 09:39 AM
#102
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From: B756 FO
SUX4U, to answer your question directly. It sounds like you are headed to the 756 like it or not, so that changes things a bit. If you want west coast, 737 is definitely the way to go. The 320 is junior out here, but it's shrinking or at the very least stagnant as they move the flying to IAH and EWR. But it sounds like 756 out of school, so in that case you will be looking to target LAX as there isn't any 756 out of SFO to BAT into. I don't think you can BID the 76T SFO out of newhire school as you will be frozen in the 756, but I'm not terribly up on how freezes work for newhires so find someone in the schoolhouse who is more familiar with that aspect of it.
Sounds like there might be a small bit of growth for the LAX 756 as they transition to a single fleet, but there has been no mention in SFO of any growth on the 76T or an introduction of 756 flying there- and I attended SFO OET so I can assure you it wasn't mentioned there either officially or unofficially. I've been trying to get back to the left seat of the 76T in SFO since I got bumped off it in 2009, so I've been watching for any growth. None to report, and none even hinted at. Supposed to combine the 756 and 76T summer 2016 or so, but UAL is notorious for missing planned dates. The good news is it's the best airplane I've ever flown so you will LOVE it. Hope that helps a bit. PM me if you want more thoughts, just keep in mind ALL this just best guess and speculation. The plan changes CONSTANTLY
Sounds like there might be a small bit of growth for the LAX 756 as they transition to a single fleet, but there has been no mention in SFO of any growth on the 76T or an introduction of 756 flying there- and I attended SFO OET so I can assure you it wasn't mentioned there either officially or unofficially. I've been trying to get back to the left seat of the 76T in SFO since I got bumped off it in 2009, so I've been watching for any growth. None to report, and none even hinted at. Supposed to combine the 756 and 76T summer 2016 or so, but UAL is notorious for missing planned dates. The good news is it's the best airplane I've ever flown so you will LOVE it. Hope that helps a bit. PM me if you want more thoughts, just keep in mind ALL this just best guess and speculation. The plan changes CONSTANTLY
03-02-2015 | 03:49 PM
#103
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From: CAP A320
Also, I have put out the most accurate info. I have "getting bumped" passing out info he got from some CAP, that got it from his maintenance man, that got it from the cook in Denver Ops. Give me a break. We have new-hires needing the latest info, right or wrong, but info that is coming from a credible source(s). Not once have I said there was going to be a 756 base opening in SFO. But 756 flying is slowing building because of LAX Deadheads going up there to fly the SFO trips that will eventually be part of that base flying AFTER the fleets merge. And for "Getting Bumped", who do you think is going to do the Hawaii flying from SFO? Please don't think the POS 737s, since they are losing a bunch of it to the 757s that we are keeping in the system. Unreal, how people want to trash info, when it doesn't coincide with theirs. I'm all for any info, but not from some "senior CAP Joe Schmo". I rather take it from what's been published or being disseminated from ORD Hqrts, or ALPA MEC guys, or Manpower planning. No one is going to disclose their "insiders". Give me a break! But don't have some new-hires relying on a cook or Smisek's dog walker. Geez.
Last edited by fanaticalflyer; 03-02-2015 at 03:57 PM. Reason: Added info
03-03-2015 | 04:03 AM
#104
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From: UAL retired
Thank you very much for taking the time to address my question directly. If I have to sit in EWR on the 756 for a year or two, so be it. If growth happens in LAX or I can slip into IAH a year into it, that will be great. If not, I will make the best of being in NYC and flying a great fleet. I imagine I will be PM'ing you shortly with some additional questions. Thanks again!
Just wanted to add a subtle nuance to the good intel you got above . . .
From EWR 756 you might be able to BAT to EWR 76T. The most recent BAT from EWR 756 to EWR 76T went to a junior man of 11048. So if they have more BAT bids in EWR I would expect the next round to go even more junior. From EWR 76T you MIGHT be able to lateral to SFO 76T BEFORE the fleets merge because BAT bids and laterals are not covered by freezes (of course that assumes movement in SFO at some point which seems likely to me).
More importantly for you as a commuter the 76T fleet in EWR flies Europe almost exclusively so if you get stuck in EWR for a while then once you move up slightly as a line holder you will be doing mostly European trips on a 76 which both pays a little more and is more commutable than domestic 4 days on the 756.
Bottom line . . . there is more than one way to "skin a cat" so if you end up EWR 756 don't give up hope! You might still make it to SFO in a reasonably short time.
03-03-2015 | 06:32 AM
#108
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I know perfectly how a BAT bid works. Please tell me where I'm not correct. BAT works for 756/76T switch in same base. Where's the confusion? The one example i gave was a junior person going from LAX 756 to SFO 76T. Didn't say he did a BAT bid. He was able to cross-fleet and was under two years in the current bid (actually less than 1 year), so there was no freeze. Now tell me what you're smoking? Please, by all means, tell me where I'm wrong.
Also, I have put out the most accurate info. I have "getting bumped" passing out info he got from some CAP, that got it from his maintenance man, that got it from the cook in Denver Ops. Give me a break. We have new-hires needing the latest info, right or wrong, but info that is coming from a credible source(s). Not once have I said there was going to be a 756 base opening in SFO. But 756 flying is slowing building because of LAX Deadheads going up there to fly the SFO trips that will eventually be part of that base flying AFTER the fleets merge. And for "Getting Bumped", who do you think is going to do the Hawaii flying from SFO? Please don't think the POS 737s, since they are losing a bunch of it to the 757s that we are keeping in the system. Unreal, how people want to trash info, when it doesn't coincide with theirs. I'm all for any info, but not from some "senior CAP Joe Schmo". I rather take it from what's been published or being disseminated from ORD Hqrts, or ALPA MEC guys, or Manpower planning. No one is going to disclose their "insiders". Give me a break! But don't have some new-hires relying on a cook or Smisek's dog walker. Geez.
Also, I have put out the most accurate info. I have "getting bumped" passing out info he got from some CAP, that got it from his maintenance man, that got it from the cook in Denver Ops. Give me a break. We have new-hires needing the latest info, right or wrong, but info that is coming from a credible source(s). Not once have I said there was going to be a 756 base opening in SFO. But 756 flying is slowing building because of LAX Deadheads going up there to fly the SFO trips that will eventually be part of that base flying AFTER the fleets merge. And for "Getting Bumped", who do you think is going to do the Hawaii flying from SFO? Please don't think the POS 737s, since they are losing a bunch of it to the 757s that we are keeping in the system. Unreal, how people want to trash info, when it doesn't coincide with theirs. I'm all for any info, but not from some "senior CAP Joe Schmo". I rather take it from what's been published or being disseminated from ORD Hqrts, or ALPA MEC guys, or Manpower planning. No one is going to disclose their "insiders". Give me a break! But don't have some new-hires relying on a cook or Smisek's dog walker. Geez.
I think blindly throwing a dart or rolling the dice is as good as any.
Smallsacks' dog walker might be the hot ticket.
03-03-2015 | 06:33 AM
#109
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From: Schempp-Hirth
Just bid the 756 in the first vacancy bid that you can. You should get it. No freeze to go from 73/320 to the 756.
03-03-2015 | 06:39 AM
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In this regard the contract today is better than when I was hired. When I was hired I started as a ORD 73 FO. I wanted JFK 756 but as a new hire I was frozen and that freeze included moves from 73 to 76. Today your new hire freeze does not preclude you from taking a bid to 756 right away. I'm basing this on my interpretation of the following:
8-D-1 Equipment Training Freeze
8-D-1-a When a Pilot enters training for a vacancy award, he may be ineligible to be awarded another vacancy for twenty-four (24) months if the number of training days (excluding days off) for the training he has entered is thirteen (13) days or greater, or for twelve (12) months if the training he has entered is less than thirteen (13) days. There shall be no restriction on his eligibility to be awarded another vacancy if training is not required.
8-D-1-b An Equipment training freeze shall also apply to a Pilot who requires training upon being hired as a Pilot or upon being recalled from furlough.
8-D-1-c An Equipment training freeze shall begin the first day a Pilot starts training, and shall apply to any vacancy bulletin whose closing date falls within the duration of the freeze.
8-D-1-d An Equipment training freeze shall not restrict a Pilot in a lower–numbered Equipment/pay band from being awarded a vacancy in a higher-numbered Equipment/pay band, pursuant to the bands described below:
8-D-1-a When a Pilot enters training for a vacancy award, he may be ineligible to be awarded another vacancy for twenty-four (24) months if the number of training days (excluding days off) for the training he has entered is thirteen (13) days or greater, or for twelve (12) months if the training he has entered is less than thirteen (13) days. There shall be no restriction on his eligibility to be awarded another vacancy if training is not required.
8-D-1-b An Equipment training freeze shall also apply to a Pilot who requires training upon being hired as a Pilot or upon being recalled from furlough.
8-D-1-c An Equipment training freeze shall begin the first day a Pilot starts training, and shall apply to any vacancy bulletin whose closing date falls within the duration of the freeze.
8-D-1-d An Equipment training freeze shall not restrict a Pilot in a lower–numbered Equipment/pay band from being awarded a vacancy in a higher-numbered Equipment/pay band, pursuant to the bands described below:
- 1) 321/320/319FO, 737FO
- 2) 767/757FO
- 3) 747FO, 777FO, 787FO, 350FO
- 4) 321/320/319CA, 737CA
- 5) 767/757CA
- 6) 747CA, 777CA, 787CA, 350CA
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