Scott Stoops

+1. I still have to look look myself in the mirror every morning. The fact that someone else doesn't share that ideal simply doesn't matter when it comes to how I choose to live my life and how I choose to educate my children (through my actions.) Call me naive, but we're really better than insurance fraud, right?

Scott

CRM114

That might be a factor for CAL guys with a frozen A-fund, but UAL guys own all of their B-fund so I don't think there would be a problem with a rollover with all normal requirements met.

One factor to consider with LTD is that there are no contributions made to the B/C fund, all company contributions stop. In addition, pilots are required to pay their own medical/life insurance premiums. The early out program offers retirement payments and payments into RHA.

XHooker

All true, but is it really an issue? I'm sure there are some doing it, but I don't know any, nor have I even heard of any scamming LTD. What I find ironic is that employees are held and hold ourselves to a different standard than senior management. When management invents a way to increase their compensation above what was previously agreed through... say... basing retirement on a multiple of, rather than actual years served, or... say... extending the time allowed to meet a performance incentive, it's perfectly legal. Like you said, scamming LTD is illegal, unethical and hurts the pilot group at large, but I believe it's so rare as to be insignificant and every pilot I've known who used LTD was doing everything possible to get their certificate back. Meanwhile, because they have the influence to change the rules midgame, deals adding millions in compensation at the top are legal. Forgive me if, while I disapprove I'm less than outraged about the possibility of someone scamming LTD.

mrmak2

Is there a link somewhere to view the overall seniority list, including retirement dates?

iama570

I tend to agree, your points concerning management always lining their pockets are valid. It is probably never going to be a widespread problem, there is always going to be pilots scamming. Let's hope that the few scammers that cheat the system don't cause this benefit to be too costly and we go back to the company determining who qualifies for LTD.

UAL T38 Phlyer

If you are a United pilot, you can go to the System Seniority list to see everyone.

On APC, go to "Airline Profiles," "Legacy," "United," and at the bottom of the page, it shows retirement numbers per year, through 2031.

mrmak2

Thanks, I was looking for something on flying together that had more of a breakdown by BES rather than just a total on APC.

cadetdrivr

Take a look at the most recent equipment bid award...it has every pilot in every BES.

APC225

There is also a document next to it that shows only pilots who changed positions on the bid (by seat) vs the entire seniority list. Easy to see where the movement is.

jsled

Yes, and this is what we always have known as an award. Never had that big ol' cumbersome whole seniority list thing. WOW. That is like trying to read War and Peace.