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pilot64golfer 11-28-2013 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by Zoomie (Post 1529805)
Because we are shrinking through attrition.

For every 3 pilots that retire, we are only replacing maybe 2 of those right now.

No. Its because there were hundreds of Captain awards that were handed out the day before the SLI, and they have to get through those people. Even though the Award stated that anyone not in training had to be rebid, they didn't do it.

It was the company's last gasp to reward their favorite pilot group for all the waiving of the contract that they did in the past, and helping them break the union in 83-84.

pilot64golfer 11-28-2013 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by Slats Extend (Post 1529715)
Great, 10 more scabs coming to Sparky in LAX....

The number of scabs in LAX pre vs post merger has increased 10 fold if not more. Basing the scab cab there is making it worse.

picaro 11-28-2013 02:51 PM

Pilot,

Its not because we waived the contract and we are all scabs. Its because we are better pilots. Seriously, we don't have to sit down and pre brief our flight from IAH-DEN for 2.5 hours on the first leg like you guys do.

I kid, I kid, to everyone else, who isn't a complete tool, our management team (read lead by a CAL guy) are fools. They didn't favor anybody, they just hit the cheapest button. Whatever that algorithm said is what they do. To believe anything else is just plain stupid.

El10 11-28-2013 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by Zoomie (Post 1529805)
Because we are shrinking through attrition.

For every 3 pilots that retire, we are only replacing maybe 2 of those right now.

Look on the vacancy bids, we might be hiring like crazy, but that's just because retirements are happening like crazy.

Those "synergies" that were touted hard during the merger are starting to show themselves.

After SLI, it doesn't matter which side you were on, there will be stagnation just due to merger "synergies" alone.

Hopefully, the movement will make most of that stagnation less noticeable, but both sides would be moving at an even quicker race if it weren't for the synergies.

The airline can be staffed right now with about 9600 pilots per the "Min" number on the latest vacancy bid. It shows we have about 10200 (active) on property (more on the list obviously, but many are on Militar LOA or medical leave, but unless we start getting more 787s before we retire those 757s and 767s, I don't see any growth coming. All airline growth is basically going to be conceded to ME carriers according to the latest Boeing orders.

You have a misunderstanding of how the Min works. The purpose of the the Min is to add clarity to when secondary awards will be awarded. It is not the minimum system wide staffing.

The reason you see many more FO vacancies to CA vacancies is for two reasons. First CA bids create many more secondary bids. Just look at the results of 14-03v. It had plenty of secondaries for CAs. That bid had roughly 70 awards. Granted most are people moving around but that was to be expected for the first year after the SLI was done. The second reason you see many FO bid is that they can canncel the unfilled ones if wanted. Just look at EWR guppy it has 50 slots yet the total is less that the 525 that was to be in 14-03v.

pilot64golfer 11-28-2013 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by picaro (Post 1529828)
Pilot,

Its not because we waived the contract and we are all scabs. Its because we are better pilots. Seriously, we don't have to sit down and pre brief our flight from IAH-DEN for 2.5 hours on the first leg like you guys do.

Bragging because you don't brief your flights? I hope there are no passengers reading this.

Briefing is an FAA REQUIREMENT.

We discuss weather, security, route, deferred items, fuel, etc.

I guess you just "wing it".

beeker 11-28-2013 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1529836)
Bragging because you don't brief your flights? I hope there are no passengers reading this.

Briefing is an FAA REQUIREMENT.

We discuss weather, security, route, deferred items, fuel, etc.

I guess you just "wing it".

He didn't say he didn't brief. He doesn't brief for 2.5 hours.

picaro 11-28-2013 03:39 PM

I guess you missed the part where I said I was KIDDING. But thanks, point proven.

pilot64golfer 11-28-2013 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by beeker (Post 1529843)
He didn't say he didn't brief. He doesn't brief for 2.5 hours.

Neither do we. We meet one hour prior to the 1st flight of the trip and then 45 minutes prior to each leg. Yes I know the black side just shows up at the jet. I've been told that's so the FOs can spend as little time with the scabs as possible.

APC225 11-28-2013 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1529817)
No. Its because there were hundreds of Captain awards that were handed out the day before the SLI, and they have to get through those people. Even though the Award stated that anyone not in training had to be rebid, they didn't do it.

Looks like they've got it covered. 25 captain positions filled without a vacancy bid and 37 positions reduced without a displacement bid.

TDY opportunities recently announced,

L-CAL positions
5 x 787FO - From IAH to LAX
5 x 737CA - From IAH to GUM
2 x 737CA - From DEN to GUM
4 x 737CA - From EWR to GUM
3 x 737FO - From IAH to GUM
2 x 737FO - From DEN to GUM

L-UAL positions
3 x 747CA - From SFO to LAX
2 x 747FO - From SFO to LAX
3 x 777CA - From DCA to ORD
6 x 777CA - From SFO to ORD
2 x 777CA - From SFO to SEA

sleeves 11-28-2013 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1529817)

It was the company's last gasp to reward their favorite pilot group for all the waiving of the contract that they did in the past, and helping them break the union in 83-84.

You got proof if all of this contract waiving? Or are you just talking out your behind? If the company was gonna reward a group it would have been the one that voted in this substandard contract. That would not be the black team.

There has to be a Jay Pierce connection somewhere to your current complaining. Maybe he is working in manpower.


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