Originally Posted by SONORA PASS (Post 1542184)

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LAX-SYD F/O on the 400 is at the peak of the pyramid for QOL for L-UAL commuters. Many, if not most 400 F/O's are commuters, and have been here for a VERY long time.

Rightful place???? LAX 737 is not even a close second for a commuter, however DEN 737 might attract a few.

The company will be putting out snapshots, so we will soon see.

SP

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1542218)

What does the LAX-SYD trip look like for the 744? How many days, and how many of these trips per month to fill the schedule?

Originally Posted by CALFO (Post 1542211)

You keep saying that you have played this game before. What you fail to realize is that the game has changed. At old United, bumps were part of an overall reduction in pilots and most recently happened during a period of time with very few retirements. Today, you have bumps taking place at the same time as massive retirements, as well as a time with slight growth in overall staffing.

The playing field has changed dramatically. The company can ill-afford an all out bump-a-thon. Here is my prediction:

20 747 Capt bid wb Capt in either LAX or SFO
3 747 Cap bid Den 756 Capt.
2 bid LAX 737 CA.

747 FO's:

18 bid LAX 737 Capt.
20 bid LAX 777 FO
15 bid SFO 747 FO
7 bid SFO 777 FO

This distribution, coupled with retirements will not necessitate further bumps.

Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 1542225)

3-day, 2 leg, 28 credit hour trips, 14-15 hour legs means double crew.
About a 24 hour layover in Sydney, with a 6 hour break enroute each way. Lines are built with 3 trips with the occasional carry-in. 83 hours for 9 days (6 legs) of flying is pretty attractive, which 737 domicile offers that?

Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 1542225)

3-day, 2 leg, 28 credit hour trips, 14-15 hour legs means double crew.
About a 24 hour layover in Sydney, with a 6 hour break enroute each way. Lines are built with 3 trips with the occasional carry-in. 83 hours for 9 days (6 legs) of flying is pretty attractive, which 737 domicile offers that?

Originally Posted by CALFO (Post 1542211)

Here is my prediction:

20 747 Capt bid wb Capt in either LAX or SFO


747 FO's:

18 bid LAX 737 Capt.
20 bid LAX 777 FO
15 bid SFO 747 FO
7 bid SFO 777 FO

This distribution, coupled with retirements will not necessitate further bumps.

Originally Posted by beeker (Post 1542252)

Newark does or at least use to. They use to or may still does have a bunch of turns to sjd, pvr and other places in Latin America. Yes more legs but they were all 9+ hour day trips for 8 to 9 work days. And with the iro your not in the cockpit the whole time either.

Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1542256)

I can't disagree with these numbers. They look reasonable.

The only thing is that LAX 777 FO just had a bunch of former SEA guys go there, and now 20 more? This base isn't a huge base. All 25 of these FOs on the 777 would be extra, and there would be a bump from that. Its going to trickle down.

Same with 18 guppy Captains in LAX. and 20 more 777 Captains in LAX or SFO.

Originally Posted by CALFO (Post 1542265)

This are both true, however the company has a few options, including:

1. Over staff 777 FO in lax and have some excess pilots fly iro pairing that dh both ends out of base. Not efficient but certainly better than tdy'ing 75 747 pilots.

2. The over staffing in the 737 will not occur if the company runs a vacancy bid and increases the staffing level in lax accordingly. In this scenario, all current 737 capt that are bumped down will not be displaced.

I think both of these scenarios are preferable for the comaony than starting bump-fest.