A glimse into our alternate reality...
01-26-2014 | 12:33 PM
#21
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I guess you guys support what the company is doing to another employee group(AFA). The pilots were a contract away from the same thing happening to the UAL pilots not to long ago - disappointed you hugh? You must be CAL types, taking anything said about Jeff and company as personal to you.
Here's some advice: let go of the baggage. This is one pilot group and the sooner we start acting like one, the better.
There are plenty of us who wore a black uniform who are horrified by what management is doing to OUR FA's. Trying to turn this into an "us and them" issue is childish, counterproductive and just plain stupid.
01-26-2014 | 12:49 PM
#22
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It's this type of self-centered attitude -and I've seen it on both sides - that's going to screw us over.
Here's some advice: let go of the baggage. This is one pilot group and the sooner we start acting like one, the better.
There are plenty of us who wore a black uniform who are horrified by what management is doing to OUR FA's. Trying to turn this into an "us and them" issue is childish, counterproductive and just plain stupid.
Here's some advice: let go of the baggage. This is one pilot group and the sooner we start acting like one, the better.
There are plenty of us who wore a black uniform who are horrified by what management is doing to OUR FA's. Trying to turn this into an "us and them" issue is childish, counterproductive and just plain stupid.
01-26-2014 | 01:38 PM
#23
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It's this type of self-centered attitude -and I've seen it on both sides - that's going to screw us over.
Here's some advice: let go of the baggage. This is one pilot group and the sooner we start acting like one, the better.
There are plenty of us who wore a black uniform who are horrified by what management is doing to OUR FA's. Trying to turn this into an "us and them" issue is childish, counterproductive and just plain stupid.
Here's some advice: let go of the baggage. This is one pilot group and the sooner we start acting like one, the better.
There are plenty of us who wore a black uniform who are horrified by what management is doing to OUR FA's. Trying to turn this into an "us and them" issue is childish, counterproductive and just plain stupid.
01-26-2014 | 03:37 PM
#24
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Was there not a lawsuit in the making pre-SLI by United pilots? They had over 20k at the ready with a retainer.
If the SLI had gone another way would you all be balking? Serious question.
Is there not a L-UAL list out there showing which L-CAL pilot has contributed to the list? Why is this? What can come from this?
Got to call a spade and spade here. I see no putting the past in the past and being one at all by both sides based on actions I am seeing.
With that said I accept the SLI, like it or not, and want to move forward.
If the SLI had gone another way would you all be balking? Serious question.
Is there not a L-UAL list out there showing which L-CAL pilot has contributed to the list? Why is this? What can come from this?
Got to call a spade and spade here. I see no putting the past in the past and being one at all by both sides based on actions I am seeing.
With that said I accept the SLI, like it or not, and want to move forward.
01-26-2014 | 04:27 PM
#26
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I guess you guys support what the company is doing to another employee group(AFA). The pilots were a contract away from the same thing happening to the UAL pilots not to long ago - disappointed you hugh? You must be CAL types, taking anything said about Jeff and company as personal to you.
UAL culture at its finest.
01-26-2014 | 04:42 PM
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I suggest you learn the history of the event - the AFA was onboard with the pilots going back to work in '85. I can see why you are trying to hide the tendencies from your side. A little knowledge can go a long way. Ask around - many UAL and CAL guys still around you can learn the history from.
01-27-2014 | 01:03 AM
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I suggest you learn the history of the event - the AFA was onboard with the pilots going back to work in '85. I can see why you are trying to hide the tendencies from your side. A little knowledge can go a long way. Ask around - many UAL and CAL guys still around you can learn the history from.
You guys are a funny bunch when it comes to your history when dealing with other unionized groups. AFA, the Fromtier pilots, Air Wisconson. Even your own, throwing 1,400 pilot under the bus, failed ESOP, not to mention the retirement debacle.
Now personally I really don't care if you guys want to whitewash your somewhat sorted history but blaming everything that happens at this airline on some fictional CAL mentality is really getting old.
01-27-2014 | 03:50 AM
#29
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I highly recommend ignoring hopeSales. He is a complete @#nke$% 85 hire almost scab, kicked off the forum under at least 3 other monikers that I know of.
Just let it slide. He will show up again in a couple of months, under a different stupid name. He is the worst of the bad lot on this forum,from either side.
Ignore the Wa$^%7nkers, and move forward. It seems like over 90% of those who I work with, from the black team, have done so. Hopefully the blue team has as well. And I am originally from team blue.
I highly recommend ignoring hopeSales. He is a complete @#nke$% 85 hire almost scab, kicked off the forum under at least 3 other monikers that I know of.
Just let it slide. He will show up again in a couple of months, under a different stupid name. He is the worst of the bad lot on this forum,from either side.
Ignore the Wa$^%7nkers, and move forward. It seems like over 90% of those who I work with, from the black team, have done so. Hopefully the blue team has as well. And I am originally from team blue.
01-27-2014 | 06:15 AM
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Revisionist history. There are any number of well documented sources that give Pat Friend's side of the story.
You guys are a funny bunch when it comes to your history when dealing with other unionized groups. AFA, the Fromtier pilots, Air Wisconson. Even your own, throwing 1,400 pilot under the bus, failed ESOP, not to mention the retirement debacle.
Now personally I really don't care if you guys want to whitewash your somewhat sorted history but blaming everything that happens at this airline on some fictional CAL mentality is really getting old.
You guys are a funny bunch when it comes to your history when dealing with other unionized groups. AFA, the Fromtier pilots, Air Wisconson. Even your own, throwing 1,400 pilot under the bus, failed ESOP, not to mention the retirement debacle.
Now personally I really don't care if you guys want to whitewash your somewhat sorted history but blaming everything that happens at this airline on some fictional CAL mentality is really getting old.
No whitewash here - just you trying to say the UAL guys are just as bad as the CAL types.
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