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Old 01-29-2014 | 09:58 PM
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January 24, 2014

Gregory E. Davidowitch
President, United MEC
Association of Flight Attendants-CWA, AFL-CIO
6250 North River Road, Suite 4020
Rosemont, IL 60018

Dear Mr. Davidowitch:

It’s no secret that United and the s-UA AFA MEC disagree about the reduction-in-force among s-UA flight attendants and the bridge program developed to mitigate the impact of the pending involuntary furlough. Nor is it surprising that opinions and perspectives expressed with regard to these matters may occasionally be less than cordial.

S-UA AFA’s public posturing about the bridge program is one thing. It is quite another thing for any individual to disparage flight attendants who might benefit from the bridge program. There is credible information concerning s-UA AFA representatives and others encouraging the labeling – and libeling – of AFA members and co-workers who may consider or elect to participate in the bridge program as “scabs.”

The term “scab” is an offensive term used to ostracize and demean co-workers. Since flight attendant participation in the bridge program is not contrary to AFA by-laws or the terms of any collective agreement, use of the term “scab” is false and malicious, unprotected, and inconsistent with United’s commitment to dignity and respect and the Working Together Guidelines policy against harassment. In these circumstances, we have zero tolerance for employees – whether currently in a union leadership position or not – referring to co-workers as “scabs” or engaging in other intimidating or harassing behavior.

Should we receive further credible reports of any individual engaging in harassment or using the term “scab” (or similar offensive terms) in reference to another co-worker or potential population of co- workers, we will take swift and decisive action to ensure compliance with our policies. I advise you to counsel your associates and your members concerning this issue and conduct yourselves accordingly.

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Where did they find this guy and what are the chances of "mandating compliance with our current polices" will get us to play nice with each other (co-workers?).

I know the answer, but here's some reading for Jeff to get a sense of how deeply engrained the hatred of scabs is at United:

RAKESTRAW v. UNITED AIRLINES, INC. | Leagle.com
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Old 01-30-2014 | 04:51 AM
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He does not say you cannot call an actual scab a scab. He says these people are not scabs and labeling them as such is offensive and will not be tolerated.

I tend to agree with him. Don't dilute what a scab is.
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Old 01-30-2014 | 06:32 AM
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He does not say you cannot call an actual scab a scab. He says these people are not scabs and labeling them as such is offensive and will not be tolerated.

I tend to agree with him. Don't dilute what a scab is.
I agree 100%. A scab is a very narrow and well defined term. Do not water it down by adding anyone you disagree with to the list.
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Old 01-30-2014 | 07:38 AM
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Seems to me the afa is throwing out bombs to make up for their poor decisions. A scab s clearly defined and to call anyone who accepts a job on the cal Side a scab is infantile!
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Old 01-30-2014 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Bestglide
Seems to me the afa is throwing out bombs to make up for their poor decisions. A scab s clearly defined and to call anyone who accepts a job on the cal Side a scab is infantile!
Did you actually read what was posted? Re-read and try not to be so anti-union.
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Old 01-30-2014 | 10:18 AM
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Agreed. Scabs cross picket lines. Period, end of story.
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Old 01-30-2014 | 10:47 AM
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This is not about F/A's calling each other SCABS. It's about the company continuing to drive wedges between the 2 F/A groups. I guess you guys weren't paying attention when Jeff and ** used the same tactics with the pilots and will likely do the same with other labor groups. When the labor groups stay divided the company wins. Look at the improvements in the overall contract for the pilots. It may have been born by surprise and the next one will likely be better with everybody pulling in the same direction. Support labor...............

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Old 01-30-2014 | 11:16 AM
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I think we all know what a scab is and we clearly have bonafide scabs working in the pilot ranks. Take the following quote as a stand alone and tell me that you don't think UAL's overall labor strategy is to prohibit the use of the word scab. I realize that in this example AFA is getting beat on for [allegedly] characterizing the "bridge program" as "scab-like" behavior but the assertion is that the word violates global company policy.

The term “scab” is an offensive term used to ostracize and demean co-workers. Since flight attendant participation in the bridge program is not contrary to AFA by-laws or the terms of any collective agreement, use of the term “scab” is false and malicious, unprotected, and inconsistent with United’s commitment to dignity and respect and the Working Together Guidelines policy against harassment. In these circumstances, we have zero tolerance for employees – whether currently in a union leadership position or not – referring to co-workers as “scabs” or engaging in other intimidating or harassing behavior.
As an aside, it's so predicable of an overtly hostile management to use a word like "bridge", which means to join, for a program that will do anything but. IMO, UA has [again] poisoned the well of cooperation and enthusiasm for the company's front line employees. One thing that's consistent between this management and the old one is that they never miss an opportunity to kill potential.

Welcome to the new suck.

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Old 01-30-2014 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by CRM114

...As an aside, it's so predicable of an overtly hostile management to use a word like "bridge", which means to join, for a program that will do anything but. IMO, UA has poisoned the well of cooperation and enthusiasm for the company's front line employees. One thing that's consistent between this management and the old one is that they never miss an opportunity to kill potential.

Welcome to the new suck.

Dr Strange,

Absolutely a perfect summation of what's going on. Yet there are many here who will pooh pooh your argument and will submit flimsy excuses to deflect and obfuscate the facts. They will allow Stockholm syndrome to distort their view of the company's intent and benevolence.
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Old 01-30-2014 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Toddnel
I agree 100%. A scab is a very narrow and well defined term. Do not water it down by adding anyone you disagree with to the list.
Sadly, the term is used irresponsibly on the page by people who should know better. Thanks for defining the term.
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